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...I`m getting a little pessimistic about FED & RAFA`s 2008 campaign [as they both seem to have become SF fodder in big tourneys (witness AO & IW)]:eek:

#@@#...Scratching my brain for an anolgy i was thinking about a few anomolies in tennis history, where players who looked set to have truly glorious careers suddenly began losing, just after a period of dominance:eek:

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*""*FED analogy: 2008 could be similar to McEnroe`s 1985, where Bad Mac failed to win a slam & only a couple of MM tourneys, despite utter dominance in 1984 [won 13 tourneys, won USO & Wimby + FO final].
or Wilander`s 1989, where Mats failed to win any titles, despite utter dominance in 1988 [won 3-slams].

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"^^"RAFA analogy: 2008 could be similar to Courier`s 1994, where Jim failed to win a slam & only one MM tourney, despite a spectacular run 1991-93 [won AOx2 & FOx2, plus 3-other Slam finals].


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I`m not predicting anything ridiculous, like Djokovic winning the Golden Slam, though I can see Nole adding the USO title to his AO win, but for some reason i`ve got premonition that neither FED nor RAFA will win a slam in 2008:eek::eek:


Does anyone else also get the same funny feeling that 2008 will go from bad to worse for the former FED/RAFA duopoly:confused::confused:
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

Looks like Djoko has weathered the storm of losing in Miami. Despite the loss to Anderson he apparently is still better than Federer according to MTF's populace.
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

Looks like Djoko has weathered the storm of losing in Miami. Despite the loss to Anderson he apparently is still better than Federer according to MTF's populace.

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I`m not suggesting Djoko dominating, just a premonition i have about FED & RAFA going slamless in 08:eek:

I think we may well have a couple of other surprise slam winners in 08: maybe Roddick @ Wimby & Nalby @ FO:confused:


**Remember 2002: AO [ToJo], FO [Costa], Wimby [Llegs], USO [Pete];)
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

I am pretty sure that Nadal will retain his Roland Garros crown as will Federer with his Wimbledon crown. US Open is probably open up to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

I am pretty sure that Nadal will retain his Roland Garros crown as will Federer with his Wimbledon crown. US Open is probably open up to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
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so you see FED winning a record 6th successive Wimby then [pressure won`t get to him]:confused:
also you see RAFA winning a 4th FO in a row:confused:

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so when will FED & RAFA`s respective runs @ their fav slams end??
##it`s the law of averages, that both are due to have their streaks broken!!
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

For fuck sake, I am neither Rafa's nor Fed's fan, but please stop this bullshit already. Is it so fucking hard to take that someone else has won a slam after more than 4 years!? It's 3 slams left, not 1, not 2, 3...
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

Federer is not McEnroe.

Nadal is not Courier.
 

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Re: ""FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08]

It's possible but your having a 'premonition' doesn't make me any the more confident of the possibility.
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

For fuck sake, I am neither Rafa's nor Fed's fan, but please stop this bullshit already. Is it so fucking hard to take that someone else has won a slam after more than 4 years!? It's 3 slams left, not 1, not 2, 3...

#I`m not just talking about AO

...FED`s poor run began when he was thrashed back-to-back by Nalbandian last October!
...RAFA hasn`t won a tourney since July last year & he`s now routinely thrashed on hardcourts!
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

Federer is not McEnroe.

Nadal is not Courier.

;)
fair enough!

<>point remains that nobody expected McEnroe`s dominance to disappear so abruptly after his 84 season!
#Borg, Wilander, Courier etc. are other examples of players who mysteriously failed to add to their slam tallies after several dominant years [all of them faded suddenly in their mid-20s].
 

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Re: <"">FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 0

:wavey:
I`m not suggesting Djoko dominating, just a premonition i have about FED & RAFA going slamless in 08:eek:

I think we may well have a couple of other surprise slam winners in 08: maybe Roddick @ Wimby & Nalby @ FO
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**Remember 2002: AO [ToJo], FO [Costa], Wimby [Llegs], USO [Pete];)
I like how you think CmonAussie. ;) :p
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

Thought Nadal was very impressive last night against Kiefer - played better than I've seen him for some months. He's got something to prove; I think (and hope) people are writing him off too quickly. The man has more will to win than just about anyone out there.

Am not sure about Fed - more question marks there I think. Don't think he played to 2006 levels in the whole of 2007 (save the AO v Roddick) - to me his playing style has fundamentally altered. Pride is stung to be sure so we will see.
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

Thought Nadal was very impressive last night against Kiefer - played better than I've seen him for some months. He's got something to prove; I think (and hope) people are writing him off too quickly. The man has more will to win than just about anyone out there.

Am not sure about Fed - more question marks there I think. Don't think he played to 2006 levels in the whole of 2007 (save the AO v Roddick) - to me his playing style has fundamentally altered. Pride is stung to be sure so we will see.

Thanks for a thoughtful response:cool:

Yeah the jury is still out obviously;)
Of course if FED or RAFA win Miami that will do a lot to help one of them (confidence wise).

Anyway i thought i`d share my premonition & the next few months will give us the `proof in the pudding`(whether i`m right or wrong):devil::angel:
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

:wavey:
:cool:
:devil:
:sad:
...I`m getting a little pessimistic about FED & RAFA`s 2008 campaign [as they both seem to have become SF fodder in big tourneys (witness AO & IW)]:eek:

#@@#...Scratching my brain for an anolgy i was thinking about a few anomolies in tennis history, where players who looked set to have truly glorious careers suddenly began losing, just after a period of dominance:eek:

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*""*FED analogy: 2008 could be similar to McEnroe`s 1985, where Bad Mac failed to win a slam & only a couple of MM tourneys, despite utter dominance in 1984 [won 13 tourneys, won USO & Wimby + FO final].
or Wilander`s 1989, where Mats failed to win any titles, despite utter dominance in 1988 [won 3-slams].

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"^^"RAFA analogy: 2008 could be similar to Courier`s 1994, where Jim failed to win a slam & only one MM tourney, despite a spectacular run 1991-93 [won AOx2 & FOx2, plus 3-other Slam finals].


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I`m not predicting anything ridiculous, like Djokovic winning the Golden Slam, though I can see Nole adding the USO title to his AO win, but for some reason i`ve got premonition that neither FED nor RAFA will win a slam in 2008:eek::eek:


Does anyone else also get the same funny feeling that 2008 will go from bad to worse for the former FED/RAFA duopoly:confused::confused:


That would be horrible.... :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

:wavey:
:cool:
:devil:
:sad:
...I`m getting a little pessimistic about FED & RAFA`s 2008 campaign [as they both seem to have become SF fodder in big tourneys (witness AO & IW)]:eek:

#@@#...Scratching my brain for an anolgy i was thinking about a few anomolies in tennis history, where players who looked set to have truly glorious careers suddenly began losing, just after a period of dominance:eek:

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*""*FED analogy: 2008 could be similar to McEnroe`s 1985, where Bad Mac failed to win a slam & only a couple of MM tourneys, despite utter dominance in 1984 [won 13 tourneys, won USO & Wimby + FO final].
or Wilander`s 1989, where Mats failed to win any titles, despite utter dominance in 1988 [won 3-slams].

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"^^"RAFA analogy: 2008 could be similar to Courier`s 1994, where Jim failed to win a slam & only one MM tourney, despite a spectacular run 1991-93 [won AOx2 & FOx2, plus 3-other Slam finals].


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I`m not predicting anything ridiculous, like Djokovic winning the Golden Slam, though I can see Nole adding the USO title to his AO win, but for some reason i`ve got premonition that neither FED nor RAFA will win a slam in 2008:eek::eek:


Does anyone else also get the same funny feeling that 2008 will go from bad to worse for the former FED/RAFA duopoly:confused::confused:
Probably less likely than Djokovic winning AO, FO, Wimbledon and US Open this year.
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

djokovic will win ao, wimbledon and uso in 08.
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

JMac dominated the early part of 1985 just like he dominated 1984. He won his first 20 matches, his first 4 tournaments and lost only 2 sets in the process. Then he won another title, got to two finals, and got the SF's of Wimby. Then the rest of the year was off although he won more big titles and got to the finals of the USO where Lendl won and finally got to #1. Federer's started off a lot slower than Jmac in 2008.
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

Don't see it happening.
 

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Re: "*"FED having a McEnroe 85 season,& RAFA having a Courier 94 [both slamless in 08

JMac dominated the early part of 1985 just like he dominated 1984. He won his first 20 matches, his first 4 tournaments and lost only 2 sets in the process. Then he won another title, got to two finals, and got the SF's of Wimby. Then the rest of the year was off although he won more big titles and got to the finals of the USO where Lendl won and finally got to #1. Federer's started off a lot slower than Jmac in 2008.
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as usual you really know your stats NYCtennisfan:cool:
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i didn`t realise McEnroe`s 85 season included so many tourney wins, obviously he played pretty well, but just came up short in the majors:devil:

***so the FED analogy mighht be somewhere between McEnroe`s 85 & Wilander`s 89;)
 
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