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They aren't his big rival - they're from the next generation.
 

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Nadal has 2 Wimbledon titles, but losses against Dustin Brown, Nick Kyrgios, Steve Darcis, Lukas Rosol?

GOAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Gilles Muller as well.
Losses to Verdasco , Tsonga and Berdych at AO

Djokovic has 8 AOs but losses to Istomin, Chung, Roddick , Tsonga, Wawrinka.

Not to Mention losses against Melzer and Checchinato, Kohlscreiber at FO. Querrey, Berdych, Safin at Wimbledon.

All the big 3 have their share of losses.
 

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Nadal has 2 Wimbledon titles, but losses against Dustin Brown, Nick Kyrgios, Steve Darcis, Lukas Rosol?

GOAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Rosol is goat bully, Kyrgios is goat internet troll and Brown has goat hair.. with Darcis I agree .
 

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Nadal has 2 Wimbledon titles, but losses against Dustin Brown, Nick Kyrgios, Steve Darcis, Lukas Rosol?

GOAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Federer lost to Seppi in AO and another clown at WImbledon and to Dimitrov and Robredo at USO.

This is between the big 3, and the topic really emphasis the fact that Federer cannot be the GOAT becuase Rafa and Nole (his main rivals) have the edge over him in slams.
 

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To determine GOATness, one has to look at totality of one's career. Slasher already compiled a spreadsheet, have you looked at it?!

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Federer lost to Seppi in AO and another clown at WImbledon and to Dimitrov and Robredo at USO.

This is between the big 3, and the topic really emphasis the fact that Federer cannot be the GOAT becuase Rafa and Nole (his main rivals) have the edge over him in slams.
 

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Fredal are so overrated. Without them, Djoker would be even more bored. How convenient that Fredal fans
cheer about Djoker’s illness and injury recovery which caused him the less 60%-effort matches.
 

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Fredal are so overrated. Without them, Djoker would be even more bored. How convenient that Fredal fans
cheer about Djoker’s illness and injury recovery which caused him the less 60%-effort matches.
Curious to know whose DA you are 🤔? Boss? Bhdtl? DjokoKing? All? Or some convex combination of all 🤨?
 
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Gilles Muller as well.
Losses to Verdasco , Tsonga and Berdych at AO

Djokovic has 8 AOs but losses to Istomin, Chung, Roddick , Tsonga, Wawrinka.

Not to Mention losses against Melzer and Checchinato, Kohlscreiber at FO. Querrey, Berdych, Safin at Wimbledon.

All the big 3 have their share of losses.
Please, Novak was playing w/ injury (prolonging eventual surgery) vs Istomin & Chung, even w/ an arm bandage vs Chung & loss to Roddick a 4th set retirement.
 

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He almost won 2009...

Otherwise he was outmatched.

He made it up for 2017. Thats about it.
 

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How many AOs has Rafa got again? (Fed's got 6)

And how many Wimbledons? (Fed's got 8)

And how many WTFs? (Fed's got 6)

And that's why Fed's the GOAT.
 

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And why fed is 1-3 against Rafa and 1-4 against Novak at the AO? Why 1-3 at Wimbledon against novak? Why did he lost 2 finals at the WTF against Novak? GOAT? 10 years without beating Rafa at a major and more than 8 years without beating novak at slams. Should i continue? Fed GOAT? Come on. Never.
 

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I can excuse the pathetic record vs. Nole. Hes among the HC GOATs if not, thee HC GOAT. . But against Nadal??? Yea. No excuse for that one. Sorry folks.

Most people wouldn't even put Nadal in Tier 2 of HC GOATS.
 

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I can excuse the pathetic record vs. Nole. Hes among the HC GOATs if not, thee HC GOAT. . But against Nadal??? Yea. No excuse for that one. Sorry folks.

Most people wouldn't even put Nadal in Tier 2 of HC GOATS.
So, 5 HC slams, 3 (the majority) of which beating the 2 guys (11 HC slams, each) who won a cumulative of 22 HC slams in the HC slam finals, does not put in HC GOAT category?

What, according to you, is a Tier 1 HC GOAT category?

How do you define Tier 2 HC GOAT?
 
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