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Actually he won majority of his slams on clay where the best players he faced were usually either Fed or Novak who aren't even clay courters and clay is by far their worst surface. On the contrary, Fed and Novak had to win the majority of their slams on HC where the competition is by far the toughest. So if you want to go opponent difficulty-wise, his case is the weakest
Djokovic and Federer would each have 5+ titles at RG if it weren't for Nadal. They are as good on clay as anywhere else but Nadal is just God mode there, the only God mode level that tennis has ever witnessed. Also players like Thiem, Wawrinka, Murray, Ferrer, Soderling and tons of other top players have proven that they are amazing clay court players. If it weren't for Nadal they would have won RG too... Stop embarrassing yourself.
 

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Djokovic and Federer would each have 5+ titles at RG if it weren't for Nadal. They are as good on clay as anywhere else but Nadal is just God mode there, the only God mode level that tennis has ever witnessed. Also players like Thiem, Wawrinka, Murray, Ferrer, Soderling and tons of other top players have proven that they are amazing clay court players. If it weren't for Nadal they would have won RG too... Stop embarrassing yourself.
Nope, HC or grass is still the best surface for either Novak or Fed, that's where they usually play their best tennis, the fact they have won on clay does not invalidate that. Otoh guys like Ferrer, Almagro, Verdasco are second rate, Thiem emerged only recently and Wawrinka and Soderling were elite on clay for a very short time. And who are those other "amazing clay court players"? Nishikori? Lol. For majority of time Nadal has faced far less competition on clay compared to what others faced on HC.
 

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Nope, HC or grass is still the best surface for either Novak or Fed, that's where they usually play their best tennis, the fact they have won on clay does not invalidate that. Otoh guys like Ferrer, Almagro, Verdasco are second rate, Thiem emerged only recently and Wawrinka and Soderling were elite on clay for a very short time. And who are those other "amazing clay court players"? Nishikori? Lol. For majority of time Nadal has faced far less competition on clay compared to what others faced on HC.
By your logic outside of the Big 3 there's no competition on hardcourt or grass either. No truly amazing players out there as the Big 3 are on a different level everywhere. :rolleyes:
 

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By your logic outside of the Big 3 there's no competition on hardcourt or grass either. No truly amazing players out there as the Big 3 are on a different level everywhere. :rolleyes:
There is certainly more, you have Del Po, Wawrinka, Thiem, Cilic winning USO and nobody in OE has won USO more than five times; 6 different winners of WTF in the last 6 years and so on. At RG usually it's news if Nadal loses a set before the final
 

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There is certainly more, you have Del Po, Wawrinka, Thiem, Cilic winning USO and nobody in OE has won USO more than five times; 6 different winners of WTF in the last 6 years and so on. At RG usually it's news if Nadal loses a set before the final
LOL Cilic? And Thiem and Wawrinka are as great on clay as on hardcourt, if not better. Del Potro plays once every 10 years so he is irrelevant. Stop ridiculing yourself.
 

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LOL Cilic? And Thiem and Wawrinka are as great on clay as on hardcourt, if not better. Del Potro plays once every 10 years so he is irrelevant. Stop ridiculing yourself.
You are still not getting it or refuse to face the facts - it doesn't matter that Del Potro is irrelevant at the moment, he stopped Fed in 2009, he stopped Nadal in 2018, Cilic stopped Fed in 2014, it doesn't have to be the same guy every time, there always has been more fierce competition on HC than clay
 

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You are still not getting it or refuse to face the facts - it doesn't matter that Del Potro is irrelevant at the moment, he stopped Fed in 2009, he stopped Nadal in 2018, Cilic stopped Fed in 2014, it doesn't have to be the same guy always, there has been always more fierce competition on HC than clay
Lol Plenty of people stopped Nadal, Djokovic, Federer on all surfaces including on clay. It's just that Nadal at RG is GOD MODE, that's why someone like Thiem or Djokovic beat Nadal more often in other clay tournaments than RG. Get over it, move on, stop being Djokovic's and Federer's blinded fan and be objective for once.

Also if competition is so weak on clay then it's Djokovic's and Federer's faults to not have won more. Also it's funny how Djokovic fans brag about the double career slam or 6 finals everywhere including RG, and then diss RG and clay. It means that those 2 things you brag about recently are meaningless. Grow up and stop hating on Nadal.
 

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Lol Plenty of people stopped Nadal, Djokovic, Federer on all surfaces including on clay. It's just that Nadal at RG is GOD MODE, that's why someone like Thiem or Djokovic beat Nadal more often in other clay tournaments than RG. Get over it, move on, stop being Djokovic's and Federer's blinded fan and be objective for once.
Well, since you started being objective by wholeheartedly suporting OP's argument "Nadal GOAT because he's had it the hardest", it's only fair to check did he really "had it the hardest".
 

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Actually he won majority of his slams on clay where the best players he faced were usually either Fed or Novak who aren't even clay courters and clay is by far their worst surface. On the contrary, Fed and Novak had to win the majority of their slams on HC where the competition is by far the toughest. So if you want to go opponent difficulty-wise, his case is the weakest
What lol? That is the lamest argument i have seen on here. You just hand GOAT title to Nadal by virtue of the USO bud!!
To be the greatest a player has to excel on anything. You just made excuses about clay lol. Nobody has owned Nadal on any surface at the Majors, bar perhaps Federer on grass but then Federer is a fellow GOAT with Nadal so that is no big deal.
 

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Lol Plenty of people stopped Nadal, Djokovic, Federer on all surfaces including on clay. It's just that Nadal at RG is GOD MODE, that's why someone like Thiem or Djokovic beat Nadal more often in other clay tournaments than RG. Get over it, move on, stop being Djokovic's and Federer's blinded fan and be objective for once.

Also if competition is so weak on clay then it's Djokovic's and Federer's faults to not have won more. Also it's funny how Djokovic fans brag about the double career slam or 6 finals everywhere including RG, and then diss RG and clay. It means that those 2 things you brag about recently are meaningless. Grow up and stop hating on Nadal.
Keep slaying. The hypocrisy of Djokovic fans is now comedy gold.
 

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After 10/10 General->Ruins threads, I think you need a break from MTF. Forced or voluntary.
Ruins means nothing everyone can still see the thread lol. it is an automated system where butthurt fans who hit report button enough times get a thread moved to ruins so it is a badge of honour.
As for your wish for me to be cancelled bud that is so woke so i assume you are under 30. Man up and debate an issue, dont run to the teacher crying if you lose an argument. In a court of law a judge would sanction you with wasted costs bud.
 

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I think the goal of the OP is to spam general messages until something drastic happens; that all MTF members, in particular fans of Djokovic, get an absent look in their faces, and with a single voice start to chant:

"There is no GOAT but Nadal, and Dataworf is his prophet..."
So no counter argument. Seems i get summary judgement on this thread.
 

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Soooo... Nadal won his slams while both Federer, Murray and Djokovic were all at their peaks? Djokovic was at his peak since 2011 and Murray also in similar period. Until 2011 Nadal won 9 slams, in other words almost half of all his slams.

Also, isn't same logic valid for Djokovic? In his case only Fed started mildly to decline, but basically all others (plus Wawrinka) were at their absolute highs

Good try, though
Mild decline lol. Did you watch tennis before 2011. Bud let me tell you something. Peak Federer would never lose to peak Djokovic on any surface. Go back and watch Federer pre 2008.
 

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still in the denial stage?
Djokovic fans are having a hard time of it bud it seems. Overwhelmingly Djokovic just did not get the accolades he thought he would getting to match Fedal at 20 slams. Not one player has come out and called him GOAT. Plenty have for Nadal and Federer.
And the narrative that USO 2021 will determine GOAT is accepted by Nadal and Federer fans but not Djokovic fans shows how worried Novak fans are.
 

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Djokovic fans are having a hard time of it bud it seems. Overwhelmingly Djokovic just did not get the accolades he thought he would getting to match Fedal at 20 slams. Not one player has come out and called him GOAT. Plenty have for Nadal and Federer.
And the narrative that USO 2021 will determine GOAT is accepted by Nadal and Federer fans but not Djokovic fans shows how worried Novak fans are.
Time to make another thread.

But just remember: no matter how many threads you make, Nadal will never be GOAT.

Remember that.
 

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Mild decline lol. Did you watch tennis before 2011. Bud let me tell you something. Peak Federer would never lose to peak Djokovic on any surface. Go back and watch Federer pre 2008.
Please, go back and re-watch Federer during his prime, because he was losing to Safin, Nalbandian, Gasquet! 😅 Volandri!!! 🤣 Canas!!! 😂 Hrbaty!!! 😁 Henman 😄....
If he was losing to that kind of powerhouses, then peak Djokovic would not have any problems to beat him majority of the time
 

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So no counter argument. Seems i get summary judgement on this thread.
No counter argument at all. In fact, I feel more and more that Nadal is the GOAT. You must be doing a good job. Probably just a matter of time until the hardcore fanbases of Nole and Fed are converted to the one true faith.
 
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