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People say Rafa/Ferrer etc are top 3 on tour in terms of fitness, certainly looking at their bodies you would think so..but how can you tell when they waste so much time between points to recover?

Likewise with a number of top guys. Towelling down, aces, easy points, the sit down, taking up to an average of 35 seconds between single points, it is very easy for a player to recover that way. Almost like the fat mans track. This just doesnt happen in other sports like football, touch rugby, hockey etc.

The only breaks you get is when play is held up. So you know those guys are mega fit.

But with tennis players its harder to tell. They can use so much time to recover. Especially the players with big serves. Between taking 45 seconds between a point, hitting an ace and an unreturnable, and the sit downs, you can effectively recover.

I guess I just still wonder how fit tennis players are in relation to other sportsmen. Everyone is saying Nadal/Djokovic/Fed/Murray are insanely fit and amongst the worlds fittest athletes. But are they really? I love tennis but I do worry the sport is not as demanding perhaps as people think it is. In terms anyway of the endurance part of it.

Playing 7 best of 5 matches when time limit is potentially unlimited is extremely tough, no doubt about it. But with 2 days off per match, and so many chances with sit downs, bathroom breaks, injury time outs, hawk eye challenges, towel downs, querrying the umpires, aces/unreturnables/waiting for crowd to get seated, excess ball bouncing, and in general just what is sometimes quite frankly outright time wasting, it is hard to tell how fit these guys are. Play is just not continuous like it was intended to be.

What does everyone think? In sports like football, you get no break really. I think tennis was envisioned to be like that more or less. But what we are seeing just isnt to that formula.

You could also make a case that perhaps the players who stick to the 20 second rule might be the fittest. They arent looking for time wasting or feel that wasting time between points might send a message of fatigue to their opponent.
 

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Oh will you fedtards stop it with this... how about you actually stick to the tennis instead of complaining non stop about the court speeds and time ruling...

Literally every comment you guys make these days are about this and nothing else.
 

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Watching Nadull waste time prevents me from doing less painful activities, such as banging my head against the wall or putting my penis in the microwave.
 

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yes of course have you ever seen Davy ? he only need like 10 seconds to prepare for the next point and that is from extreme significance !
He'll never gets tired and you must imagine if he was wasting 35 seconds between points :D --> invincibility !
 

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yes of course have you ever seen Davy ? he only need like 10 seconds to prepare for the next point and that is from extreme significance !
He'll never gets tired and you must imagine if he was wasting 35 seconds between points :D --> invincibility !
that is very true. Baldenko is very underrated:sad:
 

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Oh will you fedtards stop it with this... how about you actually stick to the tennis instead of complaining non stop about the court speeds and time ruling...

Literally every comment you guys make these days are about this and nothing else.
Sorry For my language but ... ARE YOU BLIND OR DUMB ? OF COURSE there is a big difference if you waste more time between points ... oh my god i haven't imagined that this won't be obvious to someone at all :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::mad:
 

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yes of course have you ever seen Davy ? he only need like 10 seconds to prepare for the next point and that is from extreme significance !
He'll never gets tired and you must imagine if he was wasting 35 seconds between points :D --> invincibility !
I hope that's sarcasm, cause Davy has a very long serve preparation, at least 15 seconds - at any point of time, not even when tired
 

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Sorry For my language but ... ARE YOU BLIND OR DUMB ? OF COURSE there is a big difference if you waste more time between points ... oh my god i haven't imagined that this won't be obvious to someone at all :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::mad:
try and read my comment again, I never even said anything about that... apparently I'm not the only one who's blind or dumb
 

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They are obviously very fit. Try just one of those 35 stroke rallies and I'm sure you'd be gasping for air. With less time to recover between points they'd definitely be more winded and likely to make mistakes on the next points. Not following the rules is cheating and umpires not enforcing the rules is just one of the many things that is wrong with tennis these days.
 

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Likewise with a number of top guys. Towelling down, aces, easy points, the sit down, taking up to an average of 35 seconds between single points, it is very easy for a player to recover that way. Almost like the fat mans track. This just doesnt happen in other sports like football, touch rugby, hockey etc.
It doesn't happen in football? Lol, then how come Federer is considered "old" when he's 30, and you have plenty of examples people playing in top football well into their 30s, some even close to their 40s - Paolo Maldini retired at 41 yrs old.
 

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Do we really need a new thread for this?! As long as they run for hours, beat their chests, pumps their fists and rips off their shirts at the end it is all good. Rules are overrated.
 

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I hope that's sarcasm, cause Davy has a very long serve preparation, at least 15 seconds - at any point of time, not even when tired
... DAVYDENKO --- ? 15 seconds serve preparation ?!?!? wtf :D have you ever watched him ? he does that --> bounces the ball once to the ground then twice with the racquet then twice with the hand again and he serves that costs him 6-7 seconds at most ...
and i don't talk about when his opponent is serving... 2006-2007 all of his matches he just goes straight to where he is returning and waiting for the server ... no other bullshits
 

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In my day, I will try to spend as little time as possible between points. Quick serve them, get them rushed. Fed used to do it, spending 7-13 seconds between serves, and rushing these guys into errors.

But in order to do that, you yourself must also be in Adonis shape.
 

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top guns have that right. you can do what you want if your name is fed, nole, or nadal. they are 3 all time greats of the sport who are taking the sport to its highest level ever.

they are the faces and the names of this sport.

so 2 of them take 30 seconds or more. big fucking deal.

nole, nadal, and fed are still the fittest tennis players ever.

they dont mean it. it is just their routine to help them relax a little.
 

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~I think this is one of the things that I admire about Roger he challanges quickely and he keeps to the allotted time that's because he was raised playing to the rules and fast tempo - I'm might be wrong about this but I think attacking players are by nature fast between points they want to keep the tempo fast - I think Pete Sampras is another example of this!

Rafa and Nole play a far more taxing return/defensive game but the truth is even EARLY in the match when the number of strokes in the rally still hasn't reached double figures they still go beyond the allotted time




ESPN: Length of Aussie final didn't add up

Early in the match, ESPN's broadcast flashed a statistic showing Nadal's average time between points to be 31 seconds and Djokovic's to be 35 secords -- both well over the 20 seconds players are allotted at Grand Slam events. Around the end of the second set, when the umpire cautioned both players against taking too much time, the numbers were down slightly, showing Nadal at 30 seconds between points and Djokovic at 33 seconds. They likely increased once again during the later stages of the match, given that both players were understandably exhausted.

Even using the conservative estimate of 30 seconds and 33 seconds, respectively, that still adds considerably to the length of the match. With Djokovic playing 166 points on his serve, the Serb took 36 more minutes than he would have if sticking to the rules. Nadal, who played 203 points on his serve, took an extra 34 minutes. That adds up to 70 minutes, which would have put the match time at 4 hours, 43 minutes -- potentially shorter than the Wilander-Lendl U.S. Open final, the Nadal-Federer 2008 Wimbledon final (4 hours, 48 minutes) and even Djokovic's win over Andy Murray in the semifinals (4 hours, 50 minutes).
 

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Well most tennis players are crazy fit. They put in so many hours every week so would be strange if they weren't. I think it's wrong to focus the time wasting discussion on fitness. It's not just about fitness and getting that extra rest. The "time wasting" does wonders in other ways too.

help to focus/get tension down
wait for favorable wind situation
wait for crowd to calm down completely
unnerve an opponent who was in the zone
get coaching/signs

among other things. Basically it's "cheating" because the rules are bent in a way that could favor yourself. If the opponent follows the 25 sec rule and you don't then yes you are cheating. Technically I didn't have much problem with Nadal vs Djokovic because BOTH were cheating with it. And as I said the fitness aspect is just one thing among many.

Right now the only way to combat this time waste is to do it yourself. But what kind of idiot solution is that? Umpires need to act. It's their job and they too look like complete idiots because anyone with a stopwatch can tell what's going on
 

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Oh will you fedtards stop it with this... how about you actually stick to the tennis instead of complaining non stop about the court speeds and time ruling...

Literally every comment you guys make these days are about this and nothing else.
top guns have that right. you can do what you want if your name is fed, nole, or nadal. they are 3 all time greats of the sport who are taking the sport to its highest level ever.

they are the faces and the names of this sport.

so 2 of them take 30 seconds or more. big fucking deal.

nole, nadal, and fed are still the fittest tennis players ever.

they dont mean it. it is just their routine to help them relax a little.
I don't expect proper arguments from Nadulltards but saying the top guys are more equal than the others is exactly what Nadull has turned this sport into. IF everyone is not subject to the same, rules it can't be called a sport as a sport is defined by an EQUAL PLAYING FIELD aka as the same rules.

And GSMNadull, Don't worry once that abomination called a 'tennis player' Nadull retires we'll be happy again. :wavey:

I also remember I read somewhere the difference for these top athletes between a 10 and 20 second recovery interval is IMMENSE! So it does make a difference and a 4-hour match played according to normal rules is far more taxing than another 6-hour time wasting fest where players take 40 seconds to recover even though they're gladiators.
 

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I don't expect proper arguments from Nadulltards but saying the top guys are more equal than the others is exactly what Nadull has turned this sport into. IF everyone is not subject to the same, rules it can't be called a sport as a sport is defined by an EQUAL PLAYING FIELD aka as the same rules.

And GSMNadull, Don't worry once that abomination called a 'tennis player' Nadull retires we'll be happy again. :wavey:

I also remember I read somewhere the difference for these top athletes between a 10 and 20 second recovery interval is IMMENSE! So it does make a difference and a 4-hour match played according to normal rules is far more taxing than another 6-hour time wasting fest where players take 40 seconds to recover even though they're gladiators.
Partly so, partly not. You are still not sitting in a chair or laying down resting. You are still walking, standing still, stretching, doing some other things while preparing the serve, pressure is ON... you name it. Plus if you take 40 sec then that means at the same time the opponent is also "resting", he can't play while you are "resting". It is not that big of an advantage as many here make it look. And it is not that someone is taking a minute or 2. It is some more seconds additionally.
 

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main problem of time wasting is breaking of tennis rules . i don't see any reason why would somebody need to respect other tennis rules when playing the guy who is doing that through the hole match
 
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