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Does Nadal surpass Fed at 20 slams?

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Granted, he doesn't have the time at #1 or Year end #1s but he has the h2h advantage dating all the way back to 2004, holds the single most domination on a surface that any player ever will. (Most likely) and has that Olympic Single Gold. So he does have some things in favor
 

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21 because although the Gold Medal makes up for lack of YEC title, weeks at #1 are very low
 

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How can you be considered greater if you are better in just one of the five biggest tournaments, and only come close at USO because of constant HC cakewalk draws (e.g. 2008-2011 always being in the opposite half from two HC co-goats for eight consecutive HC slams) ?

Federer 6,1,8,5,6
Nadal__1,X,2,4,0

So, he needs at least two majors more than Federer, because with Federer's 310 weeks & 6 WTF's and more GS F+SF reached and considerably better resume at three majors AO/Wimb/USO, just one slam more can't cut it.

Even then laymen, pros and players would agree that Federer was greater grass & HC as well as indoor player.
 

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He will never be considered ATG by most westerners because people in UK/US/AUS value clay slams slightly less.

Atg is between Federer and Djok.

Nadal winning more RG will just make his career look more lopsided.

Winning another AO and Wimbledon will put him on virtually equal status with Federer and Novak though
 

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He and Federer need a time machine so they can go back and try to win more slams during the past decade, rather than winning them against a weak era
 

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Of course, it'll always be subjective, but to me:

Djokovic probably has the best all-around resume. He is probably greater than Federer with 1 fewer Slam (way better at Masters), and greater than Nadal with 2 and possibly 3 fewer (way more weeks at #1, Nadal's lack of YECs, most Slams from same event).

For Nadal, if Federer and Nadal have the same number of Slams, it's still clearly Federer I think (Weeks at #1, YECs). With one more I think you can argue either way, and 2 more it's clearly Nadal.
 

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How can you be considered greater if you are better in just one of the five biggest tournaments, and only come close at USO because of constant HC cakewalk draws (e.g. 2008-2011 always being in the opposite half from two HC co-goats for eight consecutive HC slams) ?

Federer 6,1,8,5,6
Nadal__1,X,2,4,0

So, he needs at least two majors more than Federer, because with Federer's 310 weeks & 6 WTF's and more GS F+SF reached and considerably better resume at three majors AO/Wimb/USO, just one slam more can't cut it.

Even then laymen, pros and players would agree that Federer was greater grass & HC as well as indoor player.

Not also that Federer has a 101 week (2 years) lead on Nadal in regards to being ranked Number 1 and Novak is heading there as well .... and beyond...

Imagine being considered as the GOAT yet being spent less time at the top by not 1,but 2 players by 2 years.Significant!
 

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All three are a long, long way behind Laver and Pancho.
 

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Granted, he doesn't have the time at #1 or Year end #1s but he has the h2h advantage dating all the way back to 2004, holds the single most domination on a surface that any player ever will. (Most likely) and has that Olympic Single Gold. So he does have some things in favor

... Against Federer,yes... not against Djokovic.However,predictably enough alot of Nadal fans who waved the overall head to head flag immediately defaulted to the 'head to head in slams' mantra once Novak surpassed Nadal in the overall category.

... And in regards to the Gold Medal... rest assured if Novak bags that and completes the 'Big 16' eg 4 slams,9 Masters,Year End Championships,Gold Medal & Davis Cup the goalposts with the other fans will move again and find something else to detract from him.
 

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He's getting older and nothing is guaranteed. Guys, let him win 20 slams first. I did not see the shit performance that he put on today coming.
 

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Unless he doesn´t win a couple of more wimbledons, AO and USO, something which he never did easily even in his physical prime, he will never be considered ATG even if he wins the next four RG and has 3 slams advantage over the rest. His ATclayG title will not be disputed in the forseeable future though
 

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Granted, he doesn't have the time at #1 or Year end #1s but he has the h2h advantage dating all the way back to 2004, holds the single most domination on a surface that any player ever will. (Most likely) and has that Olympic Single Gold. So he does have some things in favor
They are extremely close, but Nadal is already better than Federer in my view. At the very least they are equal right now: Nadal has 19 slams + olympic gold (so 20 slams in importance) + better versatility (2 slams on every surface, youngest ever to achieve carrer grand slam, etc) + tougher competition (won most of his slams against two ATGs at their best) + higher peak level of play on all surfaces + dominant head to head at slams + unparalleled dominance on clay, the surface most requiring of tennis talent (because it requires more powerful and accurate finishing shots, better point construction, etc.)
 

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He will never be considered ATG by most westerners because people in UK/US/AUS value clay slams slightly less.

Atg is between Federer and Djok.

Nadal winning more RG will just make his career look more lopsided.

Winning another AO and Wimbledon will put him on virtually equal status with Federer and Novak though
Winning another ao and Wimbledon will put him on equal status with Federer and djokovic lol are you for real?

Federer>nadal>djokovic

You’re welcome.
 

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Unless he doesn´t win a couple of more wimbledons, AO and USO, something which he never did easily even in his physical prime, he will never be considered ATG even if he wins the next four RG and has 3 slams advantage over the rest. His ATclayG title will not be disputed in the forseeable future though
Well if he got 4 more FO and the rest don’t win more slams yes he will
 

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Not also that Federer has a 101 week (2 years) lead on Nadal in regards to being ranked Number 1 and Novak is heading there as well .... and beyond...

Imagine being considered as the GOAT yet being spent less time at the top by not 1,but 2 players by 2 years.Significant!
Yes it is significant

Rafa needs at least 21. Plus a YEC. And more time at #1. He has a lot of work to do

All three are a long, long way behind Laver and Pancho.
Laver for me is still the GOAT. 19 slams, 6 YE #1, 332 weeks at #1, 2 CYGS, what can you say?

Gonzales has 17 slams, 7 YE #1, and 366 weeks at #1, but he never won a clay slam so his resume does have a hole for sure, plus less slams, even if more time at #1
 

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I respect your opinion, JG, but even u know it takes a lot more formulas, ie, ELO & the like before we can name anyone, including the rocket as GOAT. Did they even have YEC’s back then?
 
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