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Do you put Olympic gold on par with 5 WTF titles though?!
I’d place a gold medal halfway between a Slam and a YEC. But like any title, the first is more important because it removes a gap from one’s resume. 5 YECs is far better than a single gold though.
 

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OP is a poor man's Slade lol. Obsessed with Nadal. Seek some professional help please.
 

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I’d place a gold medal halfway between a Slam and a YEC. But like any title, the first is more important because it removes a gap from one’s resume. 5 YECs is far better than a single gold though.
Why?

It's 1500 points for a YEC and 0 for Olympics + no easy matches at YEC while not even all the top players show up for Olympics.

Other than being an indoors hack one of the reasons Nadull never won a YEC is because he doesn't get cakewalk draws which he depends on to win other big titles.
 

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Depends on what is more important to you. I am a huge Fed fan, but I kind of already place Nadal ahead of Federer in terms of accomplishments. Not by a great margin.. To me - they are still pretty close in terms of achievements and records at the moment. Sure Fed has more weeks at no.1. It is not like Nadal was never no.1. A very decent 200 weeks-ish. GOAT or not.. has become subjective now. Maybe it has always been. Looking back when McEnroe said Sampras is GOAT.. I was a huge fan of Sampras, made me very happy.. but looking at history, don't understand how one can place him ahead of Laver. So, maybe GOAT argument has always been subjective.
 

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Depends on what is more important to you. I am a huge Fed fan, but I kind of already place Nadal ahead of Federer in terms of accomplishments. Not by a great margin.. To me - they are still pretty close in terms of achievements and records at the moment. Sure Fed has more weeks at no.1. It is not like Nadal was never no.1. A very decent 200 weeks-ish. GOAT or not.. has become subjective now. Maybe it has always been. Looking back when McEnroe said Sampras is GOAT.. I was a huge fan of Sampras, made me very happy.. but looking at history, don't understand how one can place him ahead of Laver. So, maybe GOAT argument has always been subjective.
If you go by current accomplishments alone it makes zero sense to put Nadull ahead of Federer though.

6-0 YEC
310-209 weeks at number one
103-88 titles
Much more balanced resume

Nadull has more masters but only because there are 3 masters on clay and zero on grass.

Nadull also wins the h2h but given how Federer turned that around in recent years I don't see how it should put him ahead of Federer.
 

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How are guys like Connors and Lendl who have almost half the number of slams as Sampras, ahead of him in the GOAT list?

Also how come McEnroe is ahead of Borg?

This list sucks.
I heard this too many times, but no one offered another systematic way to calculate all the achievements.
Depends on what is more important to you. I am a huge Fed fan, but I kind of already place Nadal ahead of Federer in terms of accomplishments. Not by a great margin.. To me - they are still pretty close in terms of achievements and records at the moment. Sure Fed has more weeks at no.1. It is not like Nadal was never no.1. A very decent 200 weeks-ish. GOAT or not.. has become subjective now. Maybe it has always been. Looking back when McEnroe said Sampras is GOAT.. I was a huge fan of Sampras, made me very happy.. but looking at history, don't understand how one can place him ahead of Laver. So, maybe GOAT argument has always been subjective.
200ish is more then a decent, but compared to 300ish it's really not even close. 13 GS is huge, but compared to 20 it doesn't look like that. And difference between 205 and 310 is something like 13/20. That's one third less.
 

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People overrate #1 too much here, ask Andy Murray if he'd trade his weeks at #1 for that RG final against Djokovic, he would say yes %100.
 

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McEnroe career was much longer.
Much longer .. but not much more prolific.

McEnroe won his last slam ... at 25 (US 84) and played his last final at 26 (US 85).

But McEnroe has a very consistent doubles career as well and more YE1s and weeks than Borg (although that's not where Borg is measured).

To be honest, despite Mc's 84 season, it was Borg who motivated him, it was their (short) rivalry (7-7) that marked the time.
 

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I don't think there's any way in hell that Nadal wins another USO but let's say he does.

Will that tie him with Federer?

Currently Federer is still ahead because of

  • 6-0 WTF
  • 310-209 weeks at number one
  • much more balanced resume

Discuss.

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On the other hand Federer will tie with Nadal

Currently big titles Nadal 56, Federer 54
H2h Nadal 24-16
slams won on favourite surface Nadal 13, Federer 8
slams won on least favourite surface Nadal 2, Federer 1
 

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If you go by current accomplishments alone it makes zero sense to put Nadull ahead of Federer though.

6-0 YEC
310-209 weeks at number one
103-88 titles
Much more balanced resume

Nadull has more masters but only because there are 3 masters on clay and zero on grass.

Nadull also wins the h2h but given how Federer turned that around in recent years I don't see how it should put him ahead of Federer.
So surface (clay) is relevant when counting masters 1000, but not for YEC. The same argument can be used to say that Federer has more YEC’s because it is on indoor hard.
 

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So surface (clay) is relevant when counting masters 1000, but not for YEC. The same argument can be used to say that Federer has more YEC’s because it is on indoor hard.
Yes but there's 3 clay masters and 0 on grass.

We all know if it was the other way around then the masters titles would be the other way around too so Nadull's masters lead over Federer is irrelevant.

Federer still miles ahead of Nadull because of weeks at number, YEC and balanced resume!
 

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People overrate #1 too much here, ask Andy Murray if he'd trade his weeks at #1 for that RG final against Djokovic, he would say yes %100.
He sacrificed the rest of his career to become number one. There are double the amount of players that won GS compared to those that managed to become #1 in the open era. There is only one player that was world number one without a GS title (Marcelo Rios), the list of those with GS and without being number one is huge :)
 

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People overrate #1 too much here, ask Andy Murray if he'd trade his weeks at #1 for that RG final against Djokovic, he would say yes %100.
Can you not leave dumb comments on my thread or troll or whatever it is you're doing?

Everyone knows it's the exact opposite - majors are overrated here and #1 isn't given nearly enough importance.

You can be a clay specialist and rack up majors at the FO like Nadull does to get to 20 majors but you can't get to 300 weeks at #1 by doing that 🙄
 
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Yes but there's 3 clay masters and 0 on grass.

We all know if it was the other way around then the masters titles would be the other way around too so Nadull's masters lead over Federer is irrelevant.

Federer still miles ahead of Nadull because of weeks at number, YEC and balanced resume!
and there is only 1 YEC once a year on indoor hard. If it were the other way round ie YEC on clay…. Need I say.

Besides how would you call Federer’s 1 slam on clay as ‘balanced’ resume.
 

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Yes Dull will surpass Fred
 

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and there is only 1 YEC once a year on indoor hard. If it were the other way round ie YEC on clay…. Need I say.

Besides how would you call Federer’s 1 slam on clay as ‘balanced’ resume.
Everyone knows HC is the neutral and most competitive surface so it makes perfect sense to hold the YEC on HC 🙄

Federer 7-1-8-5-6
Nadull 1-13-2-4-0

Need I spell everything out to you ffs?
 

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Why?

It's 1500 points for a YEC and 0 for Olympics + no easy matches at YEC while not even all the top players show up for Olympics.

Other than being an indoors hack one of the reasons Nadull never won a YEC is because he doesn't get cakewalk draws which he depends on to win other big titles.
Points have no relevance towards importance for me. It’s just ATP’s (biased) opinion on how much they count in their ranking, not how much titles are valued by players or fans. I do mostly agree with the ATP points, by the way, for ranking purposes. But in true importance a slam is worth much more than 4 ATP500’s for example. If you would reflect that in the ranking however, there would be little incentive to play smaller events.

Anyway, I value the Olympics above TF mostly because of the iconic status of the Olympics in sports history. And it’s a very rare title. Maybe as a big swimming fan I’m inclined to give extra value to any Olympic gold. Yet several elite players (Federer, del Potro, Djokovic) seem to feel the same way. I do acknowledge that the Olympics are much less important for tennis than for most other Olympic sports, which is why I value slams above gold.
 
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