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People may close the economy of their own will if they feel unsafe. You need to assure people that the situation is under control --> hence you may actually need to suppress the virus; in which case the 'test/trace/isolate + masks in public' approach may be the way to go (= there's a better grasp of where the virus is + masks ease the nerves in case of also asymptomatic spreading). Additionally there are still plenty of unknowns over what the virus does to the body, and the after-effects; something that will cause unrest in people's minds. Wonder what the numbers are for some other businesses (like restaurants e.g.)...

edit. To add, people in S. Korea get a feeling of safety not only from the heavy usage of masks, but also from the way their tracing system has been set up; to notify whenever they are near places that people found to have been infected have recently visited. Increased assurance that an infection is unlikely to occur.
 

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People may close the economy of their own will if they feel unsafe. You need to assure people that the situation is under control --> hence you may actually need to suppress the virus; in which case the 'test/trace/isolate + masks in public' approach may be the way to go. Additionally there are still plenty of unknowns over what the virus does to the body, and the after-effects; something that will cause unrest in people's minds. Wonder what the numbers are for some other businesses (like restaurants e.g.)...
I won't hold my breath, but perhaps this experience will make the media and voters realize that the volume and shape of economic health and activity is a function of hundreds of millions of consumers and businesses and not a dial and a set of levers that the government can manipulate at will.
 

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edit. To add, people in S. Korea get a feeling of safety not only from the heavy usage of masks, but also from the way their tracing system has been set up; to notify whenever they are near places that people found to have been infected have recently visited. Increased assurance that an infection is unlikely to occur.
It's all fine but my main fear is that with all this 5G tracing and stuff like that some governments may fancy a silent introduction of the Brave New World.
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It's all fine but my main fear is that with all this 5G tracing and stuff like that some governments may fancy a silent introduction of the Brave New World.
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Tracing can be implemented in a decentralized manner (albeit you can't get to a S. Korea level of detail; they are able to track even the routes of infected people; but still better than darkness):




edit. Legit fear/concern nonetheless.
 

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Some interesting analysis here showing the COVID curve is pretty much exactly the same regardless of lockdown measures:


Many will pass this off because it has a picture of Trump (btw he has nothing really to do with this article). There are many good links here that source information.

There are roughly 600 people unemployed in the USA for every 'COVID' death (which are suspicious at best: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf). The lockdown will have horrific consequences that last long after COVID-19.

In Michigan, you can buy booze, but you can't buy seeds for your garden? Here in Ontario, they are going to release inmates, but fine a father and his two kids for roller blading in an empty parking lot? How do these tyrannical measures stop the spread of COVID? We now have snitch lines here in Ontario... craziness.
 

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Some interesting analysis here showing the COVID curve is pretty much exactly the same regardless of lockdown measures:


Many will pass this off because it has a picture of Trump (btw he has nothing really to do with this article). There are many good links here that source information.

There are roughly 600 people unemployed in the USA for every 'COVID' death (which are suspicious at best: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf). The lockdown will have horrific consequences that last long after COVID-19.

In Michigan, you can buy booze, but you can't buy seeds for your garden? Here in Ontario, they are going to release inmates, but fine a father and his two kids for roller blading in an empty parking lot? How do these tyrannical measures stop the spread of COVID? We now have snitch lines here in Ontario... craziness.
Snitch lines? Sounds awful. Can you elaborate on that, please?
 

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Some interesting analysis here showing the COVID curve is pretty much exactly the same regardless of lockdown measures:
You are linking an article that in the very first paragraph claims that Sweden "went about business as usual". Just by that statement one should be wary of the claims it's trying to make.
 

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Snitch lines? Sounds awful. Can you elaborate on that, please?
Here in Ontario they have set ‘311’ number much like the emergency number ‘911’ for people to ‘report’ (snitch fat more acurrate term’ by-law or lock down related infractions. People are calling in to report such things as a neighbour getting roof repairs done, because the ‘snitcher’ doesn’t think it is ‘essential’. Many people are willingly going along with it, while virtue signalling away in various platforms completely oblivious to the dangerous patterns that are unfolding. A friend of mine is a ‘court officer’ with the Durham Regional Police here in Ontario and he said half of them have been deployed to respond to these calls. I just visited with another friend who is a nurse (came by to buy eggs, so essential!) and she said they do not even have clear direction at the hospital - people are basically spinning around in confusion and fear about protocols, PPE etc. (Changing all the time) meanwhile hospitals remain less busy than usual!

When people are filled with fear, they just do not think rationally. The damage has been done - the media blitz of fear-mongering and specific talking points have done their damage, it would take an all out bucket of cold water over people’s head for them to re-consider and rationally evaluate things from all angles with information coming from all ‘experts’ not just the ones given a platform on mainstream media and corrupt organizations like the WHO. There is so much the media is not reporting!

Peoples freedom shouldn’t end with the onslaught of others fear.
 

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Stole this from a blog. Quite accurately describes the current situation in the US.

–you can stay in your residence, but paying rent or paying your mortgage is optional.

–you can obtain groceries and shop on line, but having a job is optional.

–other people work at farms, factories, and distribution services to make sure that you have food on the table, but you can sit at home waiting for a vaccine.

–people still work in nursing homes that have lost so many patients that they no longer have enough revenue to make payroll.

–professors and teachers are paid even though schools are shut down.

–police protect your property even though they are at risk for catching the virus and criminals are being set free.

–state and local governments will continue paying employees even though sales tax revenue has collapsed.

–if you own a small business, you don’t need revenue, because the government will keep sending checks.

–if you own shares in an airline, a bank, or other fragile corporations, don’t worry, the Treasury will work something out.

This might not be sustainable.
 

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You first asked if leaving phone home wasn't an option [not to be tracked]

Well yes, but it means you would be forced to do that in order not to be tracked, since no one voluntarily leaves phone home nowadays. Many need the phone for work as well.
Depends on the implementation. It's possible to create a decentralized one (see my post 5 days ago).
 

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You first asked if leaving phone home wasn't an option [not to be tracked]

Well yes, but it means you would be forced to do that in order not to be tracked, since no one voluntarily leaves phone home nowadays. Many need the phone for work as well.
Depends on the implementation. It's possible to create a decentralized one (see my post 5 days ago).
Switzerland is closing in on such an implementation: EPFL and ETH Zurich advance digital contact tracing project

"On April 21st, Pascal Strupler, Director-General of the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH), confirmed that the Office is working with EPFL and ETH Zurich to complete an app by May 11th."

Maximum protection

DP-3T proposes a secure, decentralized, privacy-preserving proximity tracing system based on the Bluetooth Low Energy standard. Its goal is to simplify and accelerate the process of identifying people who have been in contact with someone infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, thus providing a technological foundation to help slow its spread. The system aims to minimize privacy and security risks for individuals and communities, and guarantee the highest level of data protection.

“The innovative efforts of the EPFL-ETH Zurich team, along with their collaborators, show that it is not necessary to trade off personal privacy to put in place an effective technological response to the COVID-19 crisis,” says Jim Larus, dean of EPFL’s School of Computer and Communication Sciences (IC).

In Switzerland, the DP-3T effort is being coordinated nationally as part of the National COVID-19 Science Task Force of the Swiss Federal Council, within the “digital contact tracing” track.

Strupler adds that the FOPH, along with other Swiss federal agencies, fully supports the DP-3T approach.

“There is a common view of the Federal Data Protection and Information Commissioner, the National Centre for Cyber Security, and the National Ethics Committee that a decentralized approach best meets the Swiss needs for maximum protection of privacy,” Strupler said.
 

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I thought I would post this here, not the general COVID thread - this is more about the measures.

If you listen to all the propaganda in the American, and other prominent countries', media you were lead to believe that is was only selfish people and 'far right' (whatever the heck that means) deranged Trump supporters who were opposed to lockdowns. Here is a different story coming from Africa:

 

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