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Fantastic job by Djokovic and congrats on winning Wimbledon 2014.

How exactly djokovic defeated confident and arrogant federer who gave it all.

1)Good Second serve return: 56% with average speed 68 mph.
2)Return to Federers backhand.
3)Good Net points won: 74%
4)Good Passing shots: 3 forehand and 11 backhand
5)Focus (Avoid choking and ignore his fame and presence)
6)Good serve

Are there any tactics djokovic used in this win against the grass specialist?
 

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He was too solid for a Federer who's not really explosive enough to hit through him consistently anymore, that's all.
 

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Tactically speaking there wasn't that much going on with Djokovic's game. At this point in time he is simply a better player than Federer. Federer was the one who needed a well nuanced game plan to make up for the deficiencies in his ground strokes. For me, he only went half way. His forehand was too safe, he overused his topspin backhand and failed to exploit Djokovic's movement on the surface. Rushing the net was a marginal tactic at best since his approach shots lacked penetration.

At the end of the day Djokovic was just too comfortable, too solid and his return did just enough to nullify Federer's insane serving.
 

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33 years old... Does that mean anything to you? on a hard court, nole has been better for a much longer time... roger' swell past his prime... He probably has 2 more years left... Tops
 

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the game plan against roger is the same. make him hit that extra ball. he is very sensitive mentally. when he has the momentum, it takes one error for him to crumble. and when i say crumble, it's crashing and stumbling combined together. djokovic and nadal has that capability. other than those two, who else can make him play that extra shot? absolutely no one (except nishikori at one point). specially now that he is really getting up there age wise, his aggressive baseline game is gone. i remember 2004-2007. Man he was solid both wings. winners all over and the best all courter i have ever seen play. anyway, without getting away from the topic too much. the secret is you have to be the best absolute defender to beat federer. and right now we don't have one other than djokovic and nadal. only one player blasted federer off the court and that is del potro and he won that due to the umpire letting the player challenge 10 mins after the point.
 

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Two things.

1) Djokovic played great with consistent groundstrokes and awesome passing shots.

2) Federer seems to have no power left in his forehand now to hit through Novak even on a grass court.

Based on their overall level of play the match should have ended in four sets if Novak didn't choke as much.
 

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Two things.

1) Djokovic played great with consistent groundstrokes and awesome passing shots.

2) Federer seems to have no power left in his forehand now to hit through Novak even on a grass court.

Based on their overall level of play the match should have ended in four sets if Novak didn't choke as much.
This is no different from what he usually/almost always does, Djokovic is either the best or second best player in tennis when it comes to the combination of power, depth and consistency from the baseline and is one of the best passers in the game.

There were no special tactics applied, Djokovic just played as he always does and it was enough as Federer is currently not explosive enough to hit through him consistently.
 

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This is no different from what he usually/almost always does, Djokovic is either the best or second best player in tennis when it comes to the combination of power, depth and consistency from the baseline and is one of the best passers in the game.

There were no special tactics applied, Djokovic just played as he always does and it was enough as Federer is currently not explosive enough to hit through him consistently.
Exactly.

What i said was in regards to the two matches he played prior to the final where has was making some errors. Compared to that he was very solid in the final, like the Novak Djokovic we know.;)
 

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Exactly.

What i said was in regards the two matches he played prior to the final where has was making some errors. Compared to that he was very solid in the final, like the Novak Djokovic we know.;)
Yeah, but this is hardly a blueprint for success against Federer. Very few players on tour are in the same league as Djokovic when it comes to hitting the ball consistently deep off both wings, if we factor in his return, movement and defense, well it's just Djokovic really.

It's no secret that drawing Federer into BH rallies is key to beating him, basically everyone Federer plays targets his BH in one way or another. The difficult part is executing it, this final didn't really bring anything new when it comes to the way to approach a match against Federer tactically.
 

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Yeah, but this is hardly a blueprint for success against Federer. Very few players on tour are in the same league as Djokovic when it comes to hitting the ball consistently deep off both wings, if we factor in his return, movement and defense, well it's just Djokovic really.

It's no secret that drawing Federer into BH rallies is key to beating him, basically everyone Federer plays targets his BH in one way or another. The difficult part is executing it, this final didn't really bring anything new when it comes to the way to approach a match against Federer tactically.
Yup. The worst part for Federer was the Djokovic was even dominating the FH to FH rallies.

Nothing in Fed's game was troubling Novak, i personally thought Roger also overused the topspin backhand and gave Djokovic good rhythm off that wing.
 

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Djokovic was the better player in rallies and ROS
But it all was decided by a few points. Djokovic could have won in straights. Federer could also have won in straights with no mental lapse in the second set, without that missed forehand over the high part of net in the third... The match, though dominated by Novak, was very close and could have gone either way
 

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Yeah, but this is hardly a blueprint for success against Federer. Very few players on tour are in the same league as Djokovic when it comes to hitting the ball consistently deep off both wings, if we factor in his return, movement and defense, well it's just Djokovic really.

It's no secret that drawing Federer into BH rallies is key to beating him, basically everyone Federer plays targets his BH in one way or another. The difficult part is executing it, this final didn't really bring anything new when it comes to the way to approach a match against Federer tactically.
Playing federer on grass is different than on other surfaces.
Yes, players can attack Feds BH, and that might be just enough to beat him .
But to beat him on grass, attacking BH alone is not enough.
Thats why I mentioned other stats from the wimby final that worked in favor of djokovic
 

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The blueprint is to play an old man :shrug:
 

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Playing federer on grass is different than on other surfaces.
Yes, players can attack Feds BH, and that might be just enough to beat him .
But to beat him on grass, attacking BH alone is not enough.
Thats why I mentioned other stats from the wimby final that worked in favor of djokovic
That stats you highlighted in the OP are basically a result of being good and playing well, hardly an example of tactical genius.
 

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That stats you highlighted in the OP are basically a result of being good and playing well, hardly an example of tactical genius.
One thing he did very well was passing Federer on the net, said he was expecting Federer will come to the net more often, and also often passed him with bhdl instead of his usual CC
 

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Playing federer on grass is different than on other surfaces.
Yes, players can attack Feds BH, and that might be just enough to beat him .
But to beat him on grass, attacking BH alone is not enough.
Thats why I mentioned other stats from the wimby final that worked in favor of djokovic
Interesting...

How do you feel about Roddick?
 
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