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Sandgren (always a dangerous first round opponent with his aggressive style)
Cuevas (clay specialist in a good form this tournament !)
Berankis (W/0 -> predictable easy matchup)
Musetti (great defense and technique and controlled forehand offense and net touch)
Berrettini (peaking servebot plus forehand of death combo)

Both Djokovic's opponents would have destroyed these Nadal djoke players. One cant play at the net and without a mind and the other has no serve, you can break him whenever you want lol)

Musetti >>>>> Sinner
Berrettini > Schwartzman

Compared to Nadal Djokovic had the tougher opposition, contrary to the initial look at the draw from the beginning. Factually Djokovic is confirmed to had the stronger opponents afterwards.

Tsitsipas' strongest opponents were Chardy, Isner and Medvedev.

Ranking the difficulty of the opposition - the factual path.

1) Djokovic (with opponent Nadal he will definitely be above Tsitsipas but in my opinion even without the SF match already)

2) Tsitsipas (Decide for yourself whose was tougher)

3) Nadal (due to Schwartzman, Norrie, Sinner was a complete joke ahahaha)

4) Zverev (the easiest road to the SF, clearly)
 

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If this is that important to you, then ok I guess.

I wouldn't in a million years think Berrettini on clay is a hard quarter though. Big serves and forehands with no backhand and no idea how to construct points, when to go for drop shots or how to return.

Musetti is still way undercooked and that match was more Djokovic not being himself, not Musetti being an unbelievable draw. Cuevas' best days are way behind him (and they weren't that great) while Berankis and Sandgren should not even be whispered in the same sentence with hard draw and RG.

Sure Nadal is a hard draw, as is Djokovic too for that matter.
 

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Shorty Diego couldn’t play more than 10 games without imploding.
No point construction + no game plan + average on clay + WTA serve = horrendous
However, he almost reached the end of the 3rd set and beat Bulldal last year. Bull was frightened by a tiny guy.
 

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If this is that important to you, then ok I guess.

I wouldn't in a million years think Berrettini on clay is a hard quarter though. Big serves and forehands with no backhand and no idea how to construct points, when to go for drop shots or how to return.

Musetti is still way undercooked and that match was more Djokovic not being himself, not Musetti being an unbelievable draw. Cuevas' best days are way behind him (and they weren't that great) while Berankis and Sandgren should not even be whispered in the same sentence with hard draw and RG.

Sure Nadal is a hard draw, as is Djokovic too for that matter.
It is not about personal importance taste but about discussion the after-the-matches-were-played-look at the draw and factual difficulty of the path compared to the before-projected one / proclaimed toughness on paper. And so I came to this conclusion that Djokovic had again the toughest path, level wise. With clearly in-form opponents.

Berankis and Sandgren had to be mentioned for the overall complete look / to have it in perspective, not for including them as a strong opposition or real threat. I wrote behind what I thought about them.

Musetti said that he played the best match and level of his life in these sets. He straight setted Goffin and Nishioka and won against a strong Cecchinato ! Dont forget the facts.
Cuevas regrouped for RG and found his strong showing and form back when it mattered to fight against Djokovic. He played well and good points.
 

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It is not about personal importance taste but about discussion the after-the-matches-were-played-look at the draw and factual difficulty of the path compared to the before-projected one / proclaimed toughness on paper. And so I came to this conclusion that Djokovic had again the toughest path, level wise. With clearly in-form opponents.

Berankis and Sandgren had to be mentioned for the overall complete look / to have it in perspective, not for including them as a strong opposition or real threat. I wrote behind what I thought about them.

Musetti said that he played the best match and level of his life in these sets. He straight setted Goffin and Nishioka and won against a strong Cecchinato ! Dont forget the facts.
Cuevas regrouped for RG and found his strong showing and form back when it mattered to fight against Djokovic. He played well and good points.
VyRa this is so unimportant to me that I probably shouldn't have replied. However now that I have, I'm going to repeat that no draw on clay with Berrettini and Musetti as your round of 16 and quarter is hard. Diego and Medvedev are way more challenging.

Berrettini didn't play great and should have been done in 3. He literally has no idea how to build a point on clay, can barely return (can't even hit a backhand off a kick serve), and drop shots that were simply appalling.

Musetti is your bright spot and he played well for 2 sets, 2 sets during which Novak looked a bit absent however. He's still not a hard draw. He's young, inexperienced and was somewhat allowed to play his game for 2 sets and he did to the best of his current ability. He's an appropriate opponent at that stage and even if it was 'the match of his life' as far as he is concerned, he's all of 19...

Talking about Cuevas? Come on, please stop. He's closer to retirement than anything else.
 

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It is not about personal importance taste but about discussion
I see you liked a comment which said that Diego had "No point construction + no game plan + average on clay"

If you truly believe this, we should stop discussing tennis ever on MTF. Imagine talking up Berrettini at RG and thinking that Diego has no point construction on clay.

I really hope this is just more of your trolling but either way, I'm out.
 

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I have zero arguments with OP. Djoker always gets the shitty end of the stick via a vis Nadal. Anything to stop his CYGS chances.
 

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1) Your ranking is quite nonsense, because Nadal cannot face Nadal which is not his fault ofc. You can only judge if that player is facing the toughest player POSSIBLE. And for Nadal - it is Djokovic. So they are both facing the toughest possible opponent in SF.

2) I am actually disappionted you also jumped the bandwagon of "peak Berrettini" stuff. Reading about peaking servebot on clay is always funny especially given how many servebots were successful on clay in recent 20 years....exactly zero. In case you haven't noticed Isner, Raonic, Anderson etc. were always packing their bags very soon in Paris. Love that MTF logic - Matteo is shooting powerful forehands = he is peaking. Diego is small without a serve = he is weak. Really stupid stuff there. On clay you need variety of shots, coverage of court, ROS, serve is not too efficient on clay as on other surfaces. I rarely make predictions, but I am certain Diego would defeat Matteo in BO5 on Chatrier. Just look at Diego vs. KAndy (then ranked 7th and he reached Wimby F soon after) match in R4 of RG18 and you will see how powerful serve and FH bombs fare against clay specialist.... Your assumption that Matteo > Diego on clay is rather a wish that is not factually based and exposes the true knowledge of tennis on MTF.
 

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Nice breakdown & valid reasons why the Mallorcan could b somewhat undercooked. That doesn't mean Novak automatically has any advantage or a leg up on their matchup but better chance of it being much closer scoreline.
 

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I disagree with the assessment here. I think Nadal had it tougher but at the ejector the day, it doesn’t matter. Just have to beat the person on the other side of the net.
Tougher ? Musetti and Berrettini would beat Sinner and Schwartzman convincingly. No idea why you came to that weird assessment with you who liked this as well.
 

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I see you liked a comment which said that Diego had "No point construction + no game plan + average on clay"

If you truly believe this, we should stop discussing tennis ever on MTF. Imagine talking up Berrettini at RG and thinking that Diego has no point construction on clay.

I really hope this is just more of your trolling but either way, I'm out.
There were other parts of the comment. I cant like half of the comment. Obviously I disagree with that line you have picked out. So I do not believe this. Relax guys.

Sorry you are wrong guys. I am honestly surprised that you guys do not recognise the obvious. Hope you are not haters.
 

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Tougher ? Musetti and Berrettini would beat Sinner and Schwartzman convincingly. No idea why you came to that weird assessment with you who liked this as well.
I don’t agree about Musetti and Berrettini. Where do you get that idea? Is that cuz they were close to Djokovic? Probably says more about Novak’s level really.
 

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Stupid. He had a very easy draw.
Did you see Sinner and Schwartzman ?
Did you watch Musetti and Berrettini ?

Disappointed here in you guys.
 

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I don’t agree about Musetti and Berrettini. Where do you get that idea? Is that cuz they were close to Djokovic? Probably says more about Novak’s level really.
No. They were clearly better. It is not because of Djokovic this time. He was at a good solid level.

Djokovic would have destroyed Sinner (what a joke) and would have had a much easier time against Schwartzman than Berrettini.
 

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Did you see Sinner and Schwartzman ?
Did you watch Musetti and Berrettini ?

Disappointed here in you guys.
This is just the usual level of delusion from Djoko fans. Musetti stopped playing after set 2 and retired 'for the crowd' and Berret could only servebot and hit massive FHs.

What's your point about Sinner and Schwartz? The latter played his best tennis this whole clay season vs Rafa.
 

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Djokovic would have destroyed Sinner (what a joke) and would have had a much easier time against Schwartzman than Berrettini.
Uhm no, he wouldn't destroy Diego who always gives him trouble. It'd probably be 4 or even 5 sets with the way Djoko's playing now.
 

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No. They were clearly better. It is not because of Djokovic this time. He was at a good solid level.

Djokovic would have destroyed Sinner (what a joke) and would have had a much easier time against Schwartzman than Berrettini.
I guess what I am saying is that I don't trust your accessment of the players. Musetti looked better than Sinner because Nadal is better than Djokovic.
 
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