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I have always been a fan of great tennis talents.... and safin/nalbandian certainly were great talents. Many believe that these two should have won numerous slams (safin obviously won 2) because they were one of the most talented, but were missing that special something between the ears and dedication (nalby's fitness etc).

I believe djokovic epitomes this. It was always evident that djokovic had the talent to win numerous slams. Once he put it together mentally (and physically), he is now starting to rake in slams.

I felt the same should have happened with safin/nalby (more so safin because of his athletic build and athleticism in general).

Novak will end up most likely with 8-10 slams. He will do what safin/nalby were not able to (Even though they had that potential).

Note: I AM NOT saying that safin/nalby are > djokovic. After all, djokovic has won more slams than these two and has dominated on an historic level. But talent wise... they certainly are comprable.

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So I didn't understand, what are you implying they should have done?

What i am saying is that safin/nalby had the talent/potential to stop the duopoly of nadal/federer... and even more so, win numerous slams (somewhere like 7-9 slams)
 

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Hard to say that about Safin - his peak was way before Nadal rose on the scene, and by that time he was plagued by injuries. Nalby is too much inconsistent to be a constant threat, and has always been so.
 

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I fail to see the point of this thread at all.
 

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So I didn't understand, what are you implying they should have done?

They should have grown some balls, worked hard and actually used their talent. Lets be honest here Nalbandian aka burger king himself and Safin were never really that bothered with tennis. For all their talent they did not give a toss. Federer wanted success more and he changed before it was too late. Safin and Nalbandian did not change and they perished, Nalbandian more so.
 

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The should have grown some balls, worked hard and actually used their talent.
Exactly. There's no excuses why guys like Davydenko and Nalbandian (people with twice the talent Rafa has)do not have at least 1 slam between them.
 

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They should have grown some balls, worked hard and actually used their talent. Lets be honest here Nalbandian aka burger king himself and Safin were never really that bothered with tennis. For all their talent they did not give a toss. Federer wanted success more and he changed before it was too late. Safin and Nalbandian did not change and they perished, Nalbandian more so.
To be fair, Fed was the only one who continued to change/improve his game over time from that generation (Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Nalbandian). That's IMO what makes him so great, and not many can do that - recently, only Nadal and Djokovic has shown the same qualities - and the result is obvious.
 

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To be fair, Fed was the only one who continued to change/improve his game over time from that generation (Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Nalbandian). That's IMO what makes him so great, and not many can do that - recently, only Nadal and Djokovic has shown the same qualities - and the result is obvious.

The new balls please generation is no more. Only Federer is still truly standing, the rest have fallen by the wayside.
 

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hmm. If I could improve anything with Safin and Nalbandian it would probably be their movement/agility/endurance and ability to keep the errors down.

This "new" Djokovic is all about movement, defense and keeping the errors down. He even hit less UEs than Nadal

So saying that Safin and Nalbandian should have done like Djokovic? I feel like Davydenko should serve like Federer. He might have a slam too. Why can't Soderling defend like Nadal? He'd have multiple slams. Why aren't they doing it...oh wait
 

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Both were more talented then Nole IMO (Especially Safin) Unfortunately, neither had crap for drive when it came to the hunger, desire, and wanting to be the best. They didn't have the court movement and return game of Nole, but of course they didn't have to. They were much deadlier attackers and aggressive players.

They didn't have the endurance and fitness, but hell what you have access to today I have no doubt they could have gotten it. I wish Safin could have dominated to this extent. He was 10 times more fun to watch at his peak then generic baseline Serb boy is
 

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Don't think Safin was injury-prone till around 2005, which (unfortunately) is when he started to dedicate himself to the sport. Before then, there were about a handful of years (2000-04) where he actively resisted doing the required work. He was a great source of choice quotes on refusing to be a Sampras and wanting "a life" instead.

And yes: if only Marat and David had dedicated themselves when their bodies could withstand it.
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hmm. If I could improve anything with Safin and Nalbandian it would probably be their movement/agility/endurance and ability to keep the errors down.

This "new" Djokovic is all about movement, defense and keeping the errors down. He even hit less UEs than Nadal

So saying that Safin and Nalbandian should have done like Djokovic? I feel like Davydenko should serve like Federer. He might have a slam too. Why can't Soderling defend like Nadal? He'd have multiple slams. Why aren't they doing it...oh wait
you missed the point of the thread.
 

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Yes the point of your thread is Nole got the most out of his talent and is doing what every other underperforming professional that played tennis should have done but didn't.

Amazing thread.
 

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Both were more talented then Nole IMO (Especially Safin) Unfortunately, neither had crap for drive when it came to the hunger, desire, and wanting to be the best. They didn't have the court movement and return game of Nole, but of course they didn't have to. They were much deadlier attackers and aggressive players.

They didn't have the endurance and fitness, but hell what you have access to today I have no doubt they could have gotten it. I wish Safin could have dominated to this extent. He was 10 times more fun to watch at his peak then generic baseline Serb boy is
agreed. But i must ask, how would safin/nalbandian (safin particularly) perform in today's era where all the courts are immensly slowed down and homogenized? After all, attackesr//aggresive players aren't particularly flourishing right now (but then again, none of them have the talent of a safin or nalbandian). Obviously this hypothetical is useless unless a safin/nalby got their shit together mentally and physically (in nalbys case)
 

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Yes the point of your thread is Nole got the most out of his talent and is doing what every other underperforming professional that played tennis should have done but didn't.

Amazing thread.
You are acting like nole has limited talent though. The point of my thread is that safin/nalby SHOULD have done what nole is currently doing to the top players. They had the talent to take away slams from prime federer and nadal.
 

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Some people implying that the Djoker might lack talent :facepalm:. Yes the guy should lean how to freaking volley but the guy has got immense talent. He is up there with the likes of Agassi when it comes to returning. He is deadly on both wings just like Agassi. He moves as well as Nadal one of the greatest road runners tennis has ever seen. Mentally he has gone from pea sized balls to gigantic balls of steel. He is out Nadalling Nadal himself. Safin and Burgerbandian are better in certain areas but overall the Djoker has more talent than those 2.
 

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I never said Nole has limited talent, I said he made the most of it. Just because you make the most of your talent doesn't automatically mean its limited.
 
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