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Meaningless achievement bearing in mind most of those titles were won in the weakest era ever (2015 - 2016) when both Roger and dull were injured/ out-of-form.
 

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Djokovic wasn't even good enough to sweep Canada-Cincy-USO, while Nadal did it by beating Djokovic twice, Federer, Isner and Raonic.
 

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Meaningless achievement bearing in mind most of those titles were won in the weakest era ever (2015 - 2016) when both Roger and dull were injured/ out-of-form.
Federer only got broken once before the final at Wimby 15, twice before the final at USO 15, and only lost 1 set before he played No1e at the AO SF. If you want to be honest, Federer would've had his most dominant slams ever if No1e wasn't there, and he also would've won 3 slams in a row (including 4 slams in 1.5 years). Plus Federer and his coach both said Federer was playing the best tennis of his life at this point.

No1e's NCYGS has Federer's name all over it. No1e beat Federer at 3/4 of those slams (2 finals, 1 SF). Federer's name is also forever a part of No1e's Golden Masters, since he was the opponent when No1e achieved this.

Meanwhile, over 2/3 of Federer's slams have Roddick, Phlipousis, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Hewitt, Safin, Soderling, Cilic's, etc. names. In other words, he will forever be known as the player who won most of his slams by beating mugs and non-greats.

I can see why you're bitter and in ruins. :wavey:
 

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Djokovic achievement is impressive, no other player has ever won all the Masters 1000.

But Djokovic has not won all the big titles, he still needs to win the Olympic Gold in singles. The Olympic Gold in singles is equally relevant as the Wour Tour Finals.

Category of tournaments:

Grand Slams (Tier A)
WTF/Olympic Gold in singles (Tier B)
Masters 1000 (Tier C)
Masters 500 (Tier D)
ATP 250 (Tier E)

If you ask a Federer or Djokovic fan they will tell you the World Tour Finals are more relevant than the Olympic Gold in singles. But are they being objective?

It is not a secret that the World Tour Finals have been historically more relevant than the Olympic Gold in singles. But times changes, and right now it is a legitimate question.

Let us compare these two prestigious tournaments:

1) Difficulty: World Tour Finals are played among the best 8 ATP players in the ranking. It makes the draw extremely though. Every calendar year, there is an edition of this tournament. On the other hand, Olympic Games are played every four years. To stablish an analogy with football/soccer: what is more difficult to achieve the Champions League or the World Cup? Real Madrid has won 12 Champions League titles, but no national team has ever won the World Cup more than 5 times. So, even though World Tour Finals are very difficult to win, because of the quality of the opponents, the OG in singles are even more difficult to achieve, because of the limited number of editions.

2) Current prestige among players: Some players like Steffi Graf, Serena Williams, Agassi, Djokovic or Murray have said that the Olympic Gold Medal in singles is so prestigious or even more than a GS.
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Let, Second Serve: Olympics or Slams - What's More Important For Tennis Players?
How Important Is an Olympic Gold Medal in Tennis? | World Tennis Magazine

An Olympic Gold Medal is not as relevant as a GS, but in the current era it is at least equally relevant as the World Tour Final, a tournament played every year, while the Olympics are disputed every four years. The Olympic Gold Medal doesn't give the players any ATP points. Murray, the last winner, won 0 new ATP points. Players play both for their individual resume and their country. The Olympic Gold Medal in singles is like the World Cup of Football in terms of difficulty. In fact, it is even more difficult to win a Gold Medal in singles than winning a Grand Slam. Grand Slams are more prestigious and more relevant but no more difficult to achieve. Players can try to win a particular Grand Slam every year, which means they can try it 15 or 16 times in their career. But players only can try to win an Olympic Gold Medal in singles only 3 or 4 times in their career. For example, Federer lost to Haas in 2000, Berdych in 2004, Blake in 2008 and Murray in 2012. Even Federer found it impossible to win one, it shows how difficult it is to achieve. Before anyone start with the argument that some unknown player has won the Gold Medal, I will reply than Gaston Gaudio won a Grand Slam in 2004 and only a few people remember him.

Sampras participated in the 1992 Olympics, and Agassi won the Gold Medal in 1996. In the 90s, the Olympic Gold Medal started to be more relevant, but in the XXI century the Olympic Gold in singles has acquired a new status as a relevant trophy in tennis. A great exaple of its importance can be appreciated in how Djokovic cried of emotion and pain when Del Potro beat him in the 2016 Summer Olympics.

In sum, both trophies are equally relevant. The World Tour Finals are historically very relevant. WTF are also disputed among the 8 players with higher ATP ranking. It makes pretty difficult draws. On the other hand, the Olympic Gold in singles is only played every four years, which make it an extremely difficult trophy to achieve, even more than the WTF, because of the limited number of editions. And it is becoming more and more prestigious in the XXI century.

There is no objective reason to consider the WTF more relevant than the OG in singles, especially when the first one is played every year and the second one every four years, making it even more difficult to achieve.

The Olympic Gold in singles is relevant for both the country and the individual resume. It has become a trophy equally relevant as the WTF in the XXI century.
 

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I don't care about the Olympics tennis tourney, they give 750 points, so they are just above 500 tourbaments but under the Masters1000.
 

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Meaningless achievement bearing in mind most of those titles were won in the weakest era ever (2015 - 2016) when both Roger and dull were injured/ out-of-form.
Lmao and let me guess all of a sudden 2017-18 was a strong era? :laugh2:

Man take this trash somewhere else if not for Novak in those year Federer and Murray would be wining slams left and right Novak even had GOAT wawrinka to deal with. If anything the period where Novak Murray and stan had been injured has been weak as hell. That’s why federer and to a lesser degree Nadal started wining back slams
 

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Imagine an olympic swimmer winning gold in freestyle, breast stroke, butterfly and back stroke. His achievement is truly amazing. If he were american or brit or even western european, western media will hail him as the BOAT/GOAT.
 

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No gold no glory. Hardest title to get as one chance every 4 years. Good job on those masters though.
Nicolás Massú won the "hardest title to get". He is a conteder for BOAT/GOAT then.
 
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