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Let's compare Djokovic to the top 3 players in the Open Era.

Take Djokovic right now, Federer at the end of 2008, Nadal at the end of 2013, and Sampras at the end of 1998. Those are the years they finished age 27, and they were all born relatively close in the year (May-August). Djokovic still has a few tournaments left in 2014 to improve his tallies.

Slam semifinals: Djokovic 23, Nadal 21, Federer 20, Sampras 17.
Slam finals: Djokovic 14, Nadal 18, Federer 17, Sampras 13.
Slam wins: Djokovic 7, Nadal 13, Federer 13, Sampras 11.

WTF wins: Djokovic 3, Nadal 0, Federer 4, Sampras 4.
Master's wins: Djokovic 19, Nadal 26, Federer 14, Sampras 9.

Djokovic is quite close to Federer and Nadal in terms of slam finals, and one ahead of Sampras. Djokovic is even ahead of all of them in slam semifinals at the same age. In fact he is tied with Nadal and Sampras in slam semis right now in real-time (23 each). His consistency in going deep in slams rivals Federer's, as shown by his slam QF and SF streaks. If he can just improve his finals conversion rate a bit he can still do great things. Djokovic is also well ahead of Federer and Sampras in master's titles at the same age, and just one behind them in WTFs (but with WTF 2014 pending).
 

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Pretty GOAT stuff from Novak, hopefully after defeating his demons yesterday, he can now start doing some really GOAT things.
 

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His career trajectory is similar to Lendl's. At 27 Lendl had won 6 slams. Djokovic has won 7 slams. Djokovic is a better version of Lendl. Might end up with 9 slams. Maybe 10 slams if he gets lucky. But no more than that. At 27 Djokovic is 7-7 in slam finals. At the same age Lendl was 6-8 in slam finals so it's pretty close with Djokovic being a bit better.
 

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His career trajectory is similar to Lendl's. At 27 Lendl had won 6 slams. Djokovic has won 7 slams. Djokovic is a better version of Lendl. Might end up with 9 slams. Maybe 10 slams if he gets lucky. But no more than that.
This is getting very tedious.
 

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Let's compare Djokovic to the top 3 players in the Open Era.

Take Djokovic right now, Federer at the end of 2008, Nadal at the end of 2013, and Sampras at the end of 1998. Those are the years they finished age 27, and they were all born relatively close in the year (May-August). Djokovic still has a few tournaments left in 2014 to improve his tallies.

Slam semifinals: Djokovic 23, Nadal 21, Federer 20, Sampras 17.
Slam finals: Djokovic 14, Nadal 18, Federer 17, Sampras 13.
Slam wins: Djokovic 7, Nadal 13, Federer 13, Sampras 11.

WTF wins: Djokovic 3, Nadal 0, Federer 4, Sampras 4.
Master's wins: Djokovic 19, Nadal 26, Federer 14, Sampras 9.

Djokovic is quite close to Federer and Nadal in terms of slam finals, and one ahead of Sampras. Djokovic is even ahead of all of them in slam semifinals at the same age. In fact he is tied with Nadal and Sampras in slam semis right now in real-time (23 each). His consistency in going deep in slams rivals Federer's, as shown by his slam QF and SF streaks. If he can just improve his finals conversion rate a bit he can still do great things. Djokovic is also well ahead of Federer and Sampras in master's titles at the same age, and just one behind them in WTFs (but with WTF 2014 pending).
Sampras won 5 year end championships. Federer has won 6.
 

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Djokovic appears to be better than Lendl when it comes to reaching the QF/SF stage. He has 5 more semifinals at the same age (Lendl end of 1987), and 9 more quarterfinals (29 vs 20). The finals winning percentage is the only thing that separates Djokovic from the 14+ slams guys.
 

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Djokovic appears to be better than Lendl when it comes to reaching the QF/SF stage. He has 5 more semifinals at the same age (Lendl end of 1987), and 9 more quarterfinals (29 vs 20). The finals winning percentage is the only thing that separates Djokovic from the 14+ slams guys.
Reason why he won't win more than 10 slams.
 

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When all is said and done Djokovic will go down in history as a better version of Lendl. 9-10 OR 10-9 in slam finals. Top of the Tier 2.
Possibly and hopefully, but Lendl will also have 94 ATP wins, 5 YE titles, 270 weeks at #1, 4 years with #1 ranking. I doubt that Novak will get 94 wins, but certainly could equal or surpass Ivan in all other catagories. One FO for Novak would seal the deal.
 

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Reason why he won't win more than 10 slams.
Yes, unless he manages to improve his finals winning percentage. But that seems unlikely; Federer and Sampras basically dropped to around 50% during the later stages of their careers. The only other option is for Djokovic to have a very good longevity, and keep up his consistency. Under those conditions he could reach something like 22-25 slam finals.
 

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is it wrong to consider djokovic a better player than nadal, even if he has 7 more RG?

because if novak plays like he did yesterday the next time he meets nadal, the piggy will be roasted again.
 

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is it wrong to consider djokovic a better player than nadal, even if he has 7 more RG?

because if novak plays like he did yesterday the next time he meets nadal, the piggy will be toasted again.
He is not better. Fed & Nadal is on a completely different level.

Since Nadal lost 3 slam finals, he has already fight back against Djokovic. Piggy to get roasted is hypothetical at this point of time, he reach final at a very high level usually, anything less he will drop out at 4R/QF. Nole was not tested physically against the old man.
 

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those stats actually aren't such a great thing for Djokovic

they show he is incredibly consistent, but poor at playing the best against the best at the end of those tournaments. to have a lead in semi finals against virtually all great players at equivalent age but being so far behind in GS titles is bizarre
 

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He missed alot of chances to be same level as Rafa or Pete. In hes still in his prime. But Peak was 2011 and he didnt continue on that trend.

But hes the best since 2011 and most regular.
 

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those stats actually aren't such a great thing for Djokovic

they show he is incredibly consistent, but poor at playing the best against the best at the end of those tournaments. to have a lead in semi finals against virtually all great players at equivalent age but being so far behind in GS titles is bizarre
It would help a lot if he did not have to play against Nadal, Federer and Murray in 99% of those finals.
Except Nadal, he had toughest opponents in his finals: 7 finals against Nadal, 4 finals against Murray, 2 against Federer. He had only one "easy" final of those 14. If you have ~50% in your final matches against two GOATs, I would not say it is a bad score. If some of those finals against Roger, Andy and Rafa were against some other guys like Berdych, Roddick...I am pretty sure he would have 10 slams already.
 

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When Faker was younger he was able to enter semifinals and then lost to Federer|Nadal
Now he is able to enter finals and lost to Nadal|Murray
only exception is the year 2011 and some AOs and this year's Wimbledon.
 

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When all is said and done Djokovic will go down in history as a better version of Lendl. 9-10 OR 10-9 in slam finals. Top of the Tier 2.
I am thinking this also. Probably going to be #5 in the Open Era behind Fed Nadal Sampras and Borg.

All time? Probably #11 all time. A lot depends on if he can win RG. If he wins RG among his next 2-3 slams, his numbers would be very good and perhaps arguably better than (and it is blasphemy to say this) Bjorn Borg. That is if Djokovic gets 11 slams, which I think can be his max, top 10 all time.
 

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Novak will get above 10 slams. Has atleast 3 more HC slams in him and is always in the latter stages of slams
 
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