Where we can discuss how to move forward with underdog Tennis Tipping.
ALL ideas are welcome ! :music:
ALL ideas are welcome ! :music:
Maybe what we can do, so that it can be more organized is to play different styles for different kind of tournaments.I do not want at all to be competing for players with REGULAR TT, mostly those who play now and hopefully new to UTT players not from TT over time.
I guess first thing on the agenda I'd like to discuss is a variety of tournament styles, some weeks ROUND ROBIN, DOUBLE KNOCKOUT ,ETC.
SIMILAR to suicide, vote or just choose an event to play each week, and have a ranking system that @PetecoKraus has volunteered his skills to ! :bigclap:
I think even 1 REGULAR and 1 SPECIAL EVENT STYLE each week would not be out of the question if enough players , or just rotate event style 1 each monthly, or biweekly , with same kind of points value , top 16 get points, ROUND ROBIN will just be that top 8 advance to QF or 4 to SF I guess, and 8-16 get set amount of points. each style would need thought and set point values.
My thoughts are to avoid doubles, a lot more work, and always missing picks to deal with after players exit singles, really doubles is there so players can play longer each week, but that is naturally going to happen here in singles with ROUND ROBIN, or double knock out, where you could have a winners brackets and a losers bracket, giving all the losing RD1 players a second chance in another bracket and maybe something like half the points available in that bracket to continue on, for example CHAMPION of loser bracket gets 100 points instead of 200.
For managing thoughts are no Q ever and always a Monday start, currently when we manage it takes up 2 weekends for each tournament , I like the idea of shorter and less demanding to manage.
My thoughts are a more relaxed style, many less strict rules, and a variety of events to keep things fresh. Actual swiss style once in a while, Round Robin, double and triple knockout are ones I see that could work, with a site I've been looking at for ideas here -----> https://matchplay.events/tournaments#pairing
1 deadline with no late entries would be good, say Wednesday-Friday at some given time, and MONDAY START, with SUNDAY OOP. A normal tournament can be run with up to 64 players and as few as 16, if 16 2 day RD1 and if 64 , instead of 2 day QF, make it into 1 extra round.
Maybe what we can do, so that it can be more organized is to play different styles for different kind of tournaments.
For example, we all know it was really fun to play round robin at US Open this year. Maybe we can set all grand slams and master 1000 to be round robin. All ATP 500 to be swiss format (or something else) and ATP 250 tournaments have a regular knockout style.
I definitely agree about monday starts, having only 1 deadline and not playing doubles. All this will make life much easier for manages while not affecting the fun of the game.
I like the loser's bracket idea, but only for the regular knockout tournaments.
That's great! Is like Tennis Tipping but big events for all!!Another idea I would like to add is first come first serve basis. so players enter early and we can set the tournaments up, and not based on player ranking, first 32 players and we have an event, then cut off entries, and players can enter the next event once 1 is full.
We would keep a rankings system, but tournaments would be random draws with no preferential treatment if you are ranked 1st or your first tournament, sometimes this may mean top players face each other in RD1, and I see no problem with that, it's not like you ever see a FINAL of 1 vs 2, or even seeds very often.
Sorry for the late reply, my back is fucked :crying:That's a great idea, at US OPEN I was not very organized , just seen from last GS with missing picks they are very hard to run and have a competitive event , and I am now having the same problem in PARIS. Hopefully I can locate a formula to just put the names into and get the draw for each day, for each type, at the US OPEN I just manually tried to change the match ups daily.
Hoping to put @ZellKFF in charge of this process, as indicated has some experience with.
UGH , Back issues are no fun, I didn't get surgery, but had 2 long years with problems, that I am very glad I have solved!Sorry for the late reply, my back is fucked :crying:
I will try my best to hep out or even host tournaments, depending how how the next few weeks go (if I need surgery, I'll have a much tougher time in the coming months). Will keep you posted :grin2:
Definitely agree with this oneThis one will not be my friendliest rule, and in regular TT that has 225 players it is not required, in a smaller league it is pivotal that players all send , or at least the majority, otherwise tournaments are of poor quality.
-something like 2 strikes and you are out for a week, 3 strikes and out completely of UTT, by strikes I mean no sends :crying:
If missing pick for first day of tournament, I would vote for replacing first a missing pick by a late commitment (if any, after draw is made). Then, if no late commitment, winner will get a walkover (and no need to try to pair everyone up with another opponent in main draw). If missing pick for other days of tournament, I would vote for a walkover.I could use some ideas on how to handle missing picks, with a 2 day rd1, we can't have players getting walkovers, and with MONDAY start there is no room for Q, and to keep player and manager friendly events, I like it best this way.
In managers league I just paired everyone up with no opponent, and used random picks if 1 player left without opponent, which I just used as the player who sent right after the player needing an opponent, wouldn't even look who
So then best losers advance, but if 3 or 4, then my loser bracket is missing players, so it's a tough spot to have a system for.
Could have some ALTS but I also don't like the risk of players not being able to playing.
Anyone has A good idea, I'm all ears
More then anything I believe in avoiding first round walkovers if it's to be a good quality event, say for example 26 of 32 send, and we have 2 day RD1, 6 players without an opponent for 2 days, doesn't make for a great tournament, added the chances someone gets a Rd2 walkover, sometimes players will be in a QF without winning a match. This is what we now often see in ASIAN challengers in TT.If missing pick for first day of tournament, I would vote for replacing first a missing pick by a late commitment (if any, after draw is made). Then, if no late commitment, winner will get a walkover (and no need to try to pair everyone up with another opponent in main draw). If missing pick for other days of tournament, I would vote for a walkover.
If there is a late pick (picks received after deadline reached), I would consider it equivalent to a missing pick.
Regarding loser bracket, I would vote for same rule. A late commitment can still enter loser bracket and replace a missing pick for first round of loser bracket. In all other cases, I would vote for a walkover.