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Did Wimbledon cost Fed GOAT status?

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A back 2 back against fellow GOAT candidates in the biggest slam of the year.. Will it come back to haunt him forever? Or was it inevitable Djoker and Nadal probably surpass him anyways?
 

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Some new prodigy should surpass every Fedalovic sooner or later (in terms of GS titles).

Without peaking Djokovic, Federer or Nadal would've won 27-30 slams, both probably 25 at least.
 

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Some new prodigy should surpass every Fedalovic sooner or later (in terms of GS titles).
This...imagine if the big 3 didn't have to compete with each other. There will eventually a player better than everybody on tour who won't have the same competition and will eclipse whoever finishes with the most slams in the future. One could argue that they pushed each other to higher limits but then again Federer was dominating before Nadal and eventually Djokovic came along.
 

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Well, given that he beat Sampras' record, I would say no.
 

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This...imagine if the big 3 didn't have to compete with each other. There will eventually a player better than everybody on tour who won't have the same competition and will eclipse whoever finishes with the most slams in the future. One could argue that they pushed each other to higher limits but then again Federer was dominating before Nadal and eventually Djokovic came along.
Also, future 20+ GS winner could amass three, four or even five titles at each slam if there would not be any future CC goat candidates around to stop him, whereas each Fedalovic could easily fail to win each slam at least twice.
 

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I honestly think he made his point in Australia, 2017. IMO, after that, nothing I can think of could possibly have any further impact on his legacy.
 

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Some new prodigy should surpass every Fedalovic sooner or later (in terms of GS titles).

Without peaking Djokovic, Federer or Nadal would've won 27-30 slams, both probably 25 at least.
Kind of silly to think so, at least it's not going to happen in the near future. Tennis is already changing, it's faster, more bashing oriented, and it's possible the format will change, they're already testing it at Next Gen finals. Nobody will dominate for quite a while after the big 3 era.

That being said, for someone to win 21+ slams he'd have to be pretty incredible and keep injury free throughout his career, have no rival(s) etc. Not going to happen for minimum of 10 years, probably 20 or more.
 

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Some new prodigy should surpass every Fedalovic sooner or later (in terms of GS titles).

Without peaking Djokovic, Federer or Nadal would've won 27-30 slams, both probably 25 at least.
I doubt it.
It probably won't be seen again for as long as Rocket's CYGS.
Certainly not in my lifetime, even if this Rocket being around another 50 years is not high.
 

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If he had won, the debate would be basically over. Now, at least it is a discussion
 

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No, what people do not get is that even if Novak goes past Fed in Slam count, Novak has not won as many Wimbledon.
Wimbledon and French Open have far more importance than the 15 AO that Novak will win. People get autistic over the slam count. All of Borg's back to back FO and Wim puts him ahead of Novak. Note Borg never went to AO or UO .
I'd say current goat ranking is.
Fed
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Novak
Laver/Emerson etc
 

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No, what people do not get is that even if Novak goes past Fed in Slam count, Novak has not won as many Wimbledon.
Wimbledon and French Open have far more importance than the 15 AO that Novak will win. People get autistic over the slam count. All of Borg's back to back FO and Wim puts him ahead of Novak. Note Borg never went to AO or UO .
I'd say current goat ranking is.
Fed
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Novak
Laver/Emerson etc
Borg lost 4 USO finals mate.
And each Slam has the same value, despite your obsession with the French and Wimbledon.
 

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It is too early to tell, but Fed's consecutive loses to Djoker @ wimby have re-opened the door for Sampras as the potential wimby GOAT. 7-0 looks pretty good next to 8-4...
 

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Well, given that he beat Sampras' record, I would say no.
Lol.

Seriously though I thought that was a telling loss by Federer. That would have put Djokovic 5 majors behind! Probably too difficult to catch up. Now the gap is only 3.

Clay Specialist can't become the undisputed GOAT because of his heavy reliance on clay, zero ATP Finals titles, and 19 consecutive sets lost to Djokovic on HC. None of those are characteristics of an undisputed GOAT.

I guess the answer to your question depends on what Djokovic does now. If he passes Federer's major count he will become the undisputed GOAT because he has the resume for it. If he doesn't then Federer will be a GOAT along with Djokovic and Nadal but not the undisputed GOAT.
 

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He beat Nadal. That is the best Fred can do to feel superior to everyone.
He hated Djoker back in 2006, and ridiculed him and his family, It meant that he knew that the troubled Djoker was still able to become GOAT.
 

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Roger had many tough losses. Rafa in 2008 at W and 2009 at AO. Delpo at the UO, or the UO SF match balls wasted against Nole. They all cost him GSs. The 2019 W loss hurt but to me, it made him larger than life too. A greek epic. Beating Rafa in the SF and getting to matchpoint in the final at his age is a testament to his tennis skills. I for one am grateful that Roger handles tough losses so well (better than fans) and has been pleasing us for so long. I'm grateful that all 3 legends will play in 2021 while the younger ones continue to knock on the door. Exciting times ahead.
 

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Roger had many tough losses. Rafa in 2008 at W and 2009 at AO. Delpo at the UO, or the UO SF match balls wasted against Nole. They all cost him GSs. The 2019 W loss hurt but to me, it made him larger than life too. A greek epic. Beating Rafa in the SF and getting to matchpoint in the final at his age is a testament to his tennis skills. I for one am grateful that Roger handles tough losses so well (better than fans) and has been pleasing us for so long. I'm grateful that all 3 legends will play in 2021 while the younger ones continue to knock on the door. Exciting times ahead.
Good point. And why Fefal are so much more popular than Novak. They are so gracious in defeat.
 

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No. Although Wimbledon is by far the biggest slam, what prevented Fed and the rest of the "big three" from becoming goat contenders (never mind goat) is the lack of a lead in the Olympic singles gold race, and the lack of a calendar grand slam. How can you be the goat when you haven't even dominated one calendar year of slams on all surfaces against your contemporaries? It's a disgrace to compare them with Budge and Laver to be honest; especially when you consider that these guys have homogenised courts and modern medicine, recovery, nutrition etc that keep them fit and make their job much easier.

On the Olympics front, how can they be goat contenders when they have allowed their contemporary (Murray) to win the hardest to win and most prestigious singles title in their era the most? The one event where the pressure is at its highest and you have to bring your shit as you only get a few opportunities per career. It's quite laughable to hold them up as goat candidates to be quite honest.Plain old recency bias.
 
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