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Just how bad it can get: young, otherwise healthy patients can go to critical condition 'overnight' with lungs drowning in fluid.

 

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Someone was bored and created a toilet paper calculator app. You can enter the no. of sheets per roll, number of rolls available, number of sheets per wipe, no. of wipes, and no. of people in household.

 

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Covid 19 deaths update
Total Deaths 3/21​
Total Deaths 3/22​
Improv.​
Total Deaths 3/23​
Improv​
Turquie​
4​
0,04%​
9​
0,07%​
125%
30​
0,21%​
233%
Panama​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
200%
Tunisie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
200%
Malaisie​
3​
0,03%​
4​
0,03%​
33%
10​
0,07%​
150%
Autriche​
6​
0,05%​
8​
0,06%​
33%
16​
0,11%​
100%
Equateur​
5​
0,04%​
7​
0,05%​
40%
14​
0,10%​
100%
Burkina Faso​
0​
0,00%​
2​
0,02%​
#DIV/0 !
4​
0,03%​
100%
Slovénie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
2​
0,01%​
100%
Serbie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
2​
0,01%​
100%
Brésil​
11​
0,10%​
15​
0,12%​
36%
25​
0,17%​
67%
Pakistan​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
5​
0,03%​
67%
Hongrie​
3​
0,03%​
4​
0,03%​
33%
6​
0,04%​
50%
Rep. Dominicaine​
2​
0,02%​
2​
0,02%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
50%
Egypte​
8​
0,07%​
10​
0,08%​
25%
14​
0,10%​
40%
Pologne​
5​
0,04%​
5​
0,04%​
0%
7​
0,05%​
40%
Inde​
5​
0,04%​
5​
0,04%​
0%
7​
0,05%​
40%
USA​
244​
2,17%​
307​
2,37%​
26%
417​
2,86%​
36%
Irlande​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
4​
0,03%​
33%
Maroc​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
4​
0,03%​
33%
Philippines​
18​
0,16%​
19​
0,15%​
6%
25​
0,17%​
32%
Pays Bas​
107​
0,95%​
137​
1,06%​
28%
180​
1,23%​
31%
Suisse​
54​
0,48%​
75​
0,58%​
39%
98​
0,67%​
31%
Espagne​
1043​
9,26%​
1375​
10,63%​
32%
1772​
12,15%​
29%
Indonésie​
32​
0,28%​
38​
0,29%​
19%
48​
0,33%​
26%
UK​
178​
1,58%​
234​
1,81%​
31%
282​
1,93%​
21%
France​
450​
3,99%​
562​
4,35%​
25%
674​
4,62%​
20%
Irak​
17​
0,15%​
17​
0,13%​
0%
20​
0,14%​
18%
Portugal​
6​
0,05%​
12​
0,09%​
100%
14​
0,10%​
17%
Grèce​
6​
0,05%​
13​
0,10%​
117%
15​
0,10%​
15%
Japon​
33​
0,29%​
35​
0,27%​
6%
40​
0,27%​
14%
Italie​
4032​
35,79%​
4825​
37,31%​
20%
5476​
37,54%​
13%
Algérie​
11​
0,10%​
15​
0,12%​
36%
17​
0,12%​
13%
Belgique​
37​
0,33%​
67​
0,52%​
81%
75​
0,51%​
12%
Allemagne​
67​
0,59%​
84​
0,65%​
25%
94​
0,64%​
12%
Canada​
12​
0,11%​
19​
0,15%​
58%
21​
0,14%​
11%
Iran​
1433​
12,72%​
1556​
12,03%​
9%
1685​
11,55%​
8%
Suède​
16​
0,14%​
20​
0,15%​
25%
21​
0,14%​
5%
Corée​
94​
0,83%​
102​
0,79%​
9%
104​
0,71%​
2%
Chine​
3253​
28,87%​
3259​
25,20%​
0%
3265​
22,38%​
0%
Danemark​
9​
0,08%​
13​
0,10%​
44%
13​
0,09%​
0%
Norvège​
7​
0,06%​
7​
0,05%​
0%
7​
0,05%​
0%
Australie​
7​
0,06%​
7​
0,05%​
0%
7​
0,05%​
0%
Perou​
3​
0,03%​
5​
0,04%​
67%
5​
0,03%​
0%
Argentine​
3​
0,03%​
4​
0,03%​
33%
4​
0,03%​
0%
Liban​
4​
0,04%​
4​
0,03%​
0%
4​
0,03%​
0%
Kazakhstan​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
0%
Ukraine​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
0%
Bulgarie​
3​
0,03%​
3​
0,02%​
0%
3​
0,02%​
0%
Mexique​
1​
0,01%​
2​
0,02%​
100%
2​
0,01%​
0%
Bangla Desh​
1​
0,01%​
2​
0,02%​
100%
2​
0,01%​
0%
Tai Wan​
2​
0,02%​
2​
0,02%​
0%
2​
0,01%​
0%
Singapour​
0​
0,00%​
2​
0,02%​
#DIV/0 !
2​
0,01%​
0%
Albanie​
2​
0,02%​
2​
0,02%​
0%
2​
0,01%​
0%
Colombie​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
2​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Croatie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Bosnie​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Russie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Slovaquie​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Guatemala​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Soudan​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Gabon​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Thailande​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Jamaique​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Cuba​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Guyane​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
Congo​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Ghana​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Paraguay​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Lithuanie​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Finlande​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Islande​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Moldavie​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Macédoine​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Rep. Tch.​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Chili​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Chypre​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Afghanistan​
0​
0,00%​
0​
0,00%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
Israel​
0​
0,00%​
1​
0,01%​
#DIV/0 !
1​
0,01%​
0%
Azerbaidjan​
1​
0,01%​
1​
0,01%​
0%
1​
0,01%​
0%
11267​
100,00%​
12933​
100,00%​
15%
14588​
100,00%​
13%
 

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After those gloomy stats, some good news, Pr Raoult in Marseille La Timone had begun treating ill people with hydroxychloroquin which is a very cheap treatment affordable by almost all countries in the world.
He cured 24 people with it recently.
The USA and Israel said they gonna buy and produce huge quantities of this treatment.
Pakistan is lauching a huge production for China.
 

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As for me I just can't express how overwhelmed I am by all of your messages and that I really want to thank everyone for their encouraging and nice words! As I said in my post I wasn't sure if I should tell anything about it, but looking at this thread every kind of information could probably help people. Thank you for all of your best wishes and may you all just like everyone else on this thread be spared of this or if so then hopefully asymptomatic.

Gonna share some experiences and tips in case you're interested how I'm doing.

I'm feeling much better than the past days. I still have quite a nasty cough and take some meds. In case I get fever or I do feel worse then I take Paracetamol. I've done quite a bad mistake a week ago, I didn't take it seriously with all those stories on ibuprofen, hence I took those pills. Afterwards I got these breath issues and it could be that there is truly some kind of connection as I didn't have such symptoms once I've switched to Paracetamol. Otoh it could be that those symptoms were inevitable and aren't related to ibuprofen at all. I don't know, but I'd recommend you all to stock up paracetamol just in case without panic buying ofc.

I've slept most of the weekend and was like six hours awake yesterday for example, you just don't feel up to do anything but rest. However, I'm still trying to find distraction whenever I'm awake. I mostly eat fruits, vegetables and honey and treat it like a very bad cold domestic remedy wise. A lot of tea, water and yes, humidity is really horrific and hence I take a shower for like five minutes, otherwise I start coughing like crazy.

Btw I'm just reading very often that this COVID19 is like a bad flu. I'm stunned how underestimated the flu here and everywhere else is. It was the most lethal virus in Western world and is nowhere comparable with a bad cold you have once every blue moon. However, those numbers are ridiculously low compared to Corona.
Let's take a look at the numbers from Germany:

2019/20 119,000 people suffered the so called grippe in Germany. Those are the numbers delivered by the Robert-Koch-Institut, dark figure is probably a lot higher.
202 people died sadly during this time span. This means the mortality rate is approximately 0.17% [1]. Influenza season is about to finish, so these numbers won't change dramatically.

As for Corona 27,546 people got infected in Germany and 115 died, ergo 0.42% mortality and we're just at the beginning here [2]. A lot more will follow and come sadly, so numbers will sky-rocket soon the next weeks just like in Italy or Spain. As well as above with influenza dark figure is as well a lot higher, too.

So even in a country with one of the best healthcare systems in the world and with yet very low numbers, Corona is about double to three times more dangerous than the common flu. Let alone comparing these stats from countries like Italy, Spain or France. Yes, people, we're facing an incredibly hard challenge and this is something pretty unique. Let's stop spreading false news or be too over-confident as we did here in Europe a month ago. We know the outcome of it already.

Sources:

[1] Grippe 2019/2020 aktuell: Bereits über 119.000 bestätigte Influenza-Fälle
[2] Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
 

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If taking care of the old and weak is going to bring society to a halt and cripple the economy then maybe it's not worth it. Part of the problem we have in many european countries is that we have an ageing population and it's a huge strain on the younger working class to support them - something like this just means they'll have to carry even more on their shoulders and without the luxury of a stable economy.
That's one of your most euphemistic sentences, but your tone is so incredibly off-putting and ableistic. It's not what you say, but how you say it. You can obviously express your concerns on economic state of Western countries in this thread, but given your writing style and your aggressive tone you're gonna receive a day off to reflect on them.

I really hope you won't get infected by it because media sadly doesn't inform correctly. In fact you're feeding off Western media the most as you're buying that COVID19 is like the flu which media told us mantra-like weeks before the Italy outbreak. However, even young people with little to no issues health wise could get massively infected by this virus.

In case you want to hazard yourself, go ahead. But please stay away from kids, elderly or people who get in contact with many others.

You "educated" me on how masks didn't help and how "Europe hygiene" is superior to Chinese. That certainly didn't age well...
But as I've said, why should I complain? I am safe. My family is safe. My community is safe...and all I hear from news every day is how other countries' cases skyrocket...
He still is right that most of the healthcare systems in Europe are better than most of the Asian countries. You haven't been banned for stating your opinion as you and Kingullu are entitled to, but you were banned 10 days for your repeated racist remarks on how dirty European countries and Europeans are. This is the same bs like we have Corona thanks to dirty Asians, both of them are racist remarks and you'd deservedly report if latter has been written by someone on here.

Unlike most of the Asian countries we don't have history with SARS/Coronavirus and 18 years ago we barely got infected with SARS1 which disappeared. It was a bigger issue in Asia. As for now it's our turn and it could be someone's else in the future. However, unlike you we don't wish them to go through what we're at and your 'warnings' could have been written in a more sensible tone.
 

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I didn't suggest we let them die, I suggested that we didn't bring society to a halt and allow the biggest economic crisis in decades in order to try and save them. If you think that's another way of me saying I think we should let them die, fine. But then by the very same token we should close down our society to prevent all other viruses that be passed on as well.

Even with the maths, even with the mass hysteria (millions will die in weeks) and even with the fake news (empty shelves in supermarkets etc) many people are not being fooled. This virus is not the end of the world as we know it. The old and the weak die (nature calls it survival of the fittest) and the vasty majority will survive.

Such a shame that young people who are least likely to die from it are the ones who will suffer the most economically when all is said and done. Some of these kids will grow up and understand just how selfish the older generation is.
Your view on what constitutes 'society' is rather limited. Those 'young ppl less likely to die and most suffering economically' are just out of 20yrs aprox being fed and cared for in every little need by those elders your'so quick to dismiss as a burden.

Have you already given back what you received during your non-productive years? Are you willing to renounce to any help from society once you get to retirement age?
 

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As for me I just can't express how overwhelmed I am by all of your messages and that I really want to thank everyone for their encouraging and nice words! As I said in my post I wasn't sure if I should tell anything about it, but looking at this thread every kind of information could probably help people. Thank you for all of your best wishes and may you all just like everyone else on this thread be spared of this or if so then hopefully asymptomatic.

Gonna share some experiences and tips in case you're interested how I'm doing.

I'm feeling much better than the past days. I still have quite a nasty cough and take some meds. In case I get fever or I do feel worse then I take Paracetamol. I've done quite a bad mistake a week ago, I didn't take it seriously with all those stories on ibuprofen, hence I took those pills. Afterwards I got these breath issues and it could be that there is truly some kind of connection as I didn't have such symptoms once I've switched to Paracetamol. Otoh it could be that those symptoms were inevitable and aren't related to ibuprofen at all. I don't know, but I'd recommend you all to stock up paracetamol just in case without panic buying ofc.

I've slept most of the weekend and was like six hours awake yesterday for example, you just don't feel up to do anything but rest. However, I'm still trying to find distraction whenever I'm awake. I mostly eat fruits, vegetables and honey and treat it like a very bad cold domestic remedy wise. A lot of tea, water and yes, humidity is really horrific and hence I take a shower for like five minutes, otherwise I start coughing like crazy.

Btw I'm just reading very often that this COVID19 is like a bad flu. I'm stunned how underestimated the flu here and everywhere else is. It was the most lethal virus in Western world and is nowhere comparable with a bad cold you have once every blue moon. However, those numbers are ridiculously low compared to Corona.
Let's take a look at the numbers from Germany:

2019/20 119,000 people suffered the so called grippe in Germany. Those are the numbers delivered by the Robert-Koch-Institut, dark figure is probably a lot higher.
202 people died sadly during this time span. This means the mortality rate is approximately 0.17% [1]. Influenza season is about to finish, so these numbers won't change dramatically.

As for Corona 27,546 people got infected in Germany and 115 died, ergo 0.42% mortality and we're just at the beginning here [2]. A lot more will follow and come sadly, so numbers will sky-rocket soon the next weeks just like in Italy or Spain. As well as above with influenza dark figure is as well a lot higher, too.

So even in a country with one of the best healthcare systems in the world and with yet very low numbers, Corona is about double to three times more dangerous than the common flu. Let alone comparing these stats from countries like Italy, Spain or France. Yes, people, we're facing an incredibly hard challenge and this is something pretty unique. Let's stop spreading false news or be too over-confident as we did here in Europe a month ago. We know the outcome of it already.

Sources:

[1] Grippe 2019/2020 aktuell: Bereits über 119.000 bestätigte Influenza-Fälle
[2] Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Good that your situation is on the up.

As far as ibuprofen vs. paracetamol, I read that this Coronavirus also attacks your kidneys (and not only your respiratory organs), so at least from that POV a drug like ibuprofen that also strains your kidneys would be a bad choice. But I see the latest recommendations give ibuprofen also the green light:

Is it safe to take ibuprofen to treat symptoms of COVID-19?

Some French doctors advise against using ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil, many generic versions) for COVID-19 symptoms based on reports of otherwise healthy people with confirmed COVID-19 who were taking an NSAID for symptom relief and developed a severe illness, especially pneumonia. These are only observations and not based on scientific studies.

The WHO initially recommended using acetaminophen instead of ibuprofen to help reduce fever and aches and pains related to this coronavirus infection, but now states that either acetaminophen or ibuprofen can be used. Rapid changes in recommendations create uncertainty. Since some doctors remain concerned about NSAIDs, it still seems prudent to choose acetaminophen first, with a total dose not exceeding 3,000 milligrams per day.

However, if you suspect or know you have COVID-19 and cannot take acetaminophen, or have taken the maximum dose and still need symptom relief, taking over-the-counter ibuprofen does not need to be specifically avoided.

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Do you happen to know anything about the POV that has been raised by some, i.e. that the low number of deaths from the virus in Germany might also have to do with the way deaths are being reported (e.g. that Germany would not report Covid-19 deaths related to comorbidities)? A quick search gave this (= no mention of that, but several other possible reasons for the low rate, which if true are a positive sign for others):


[...]

German politicians and senior health officials have been reluctant to comment on the low mortality rate while the situation is developing so rapidly. Lothar Wieler, the president of the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the government’s central public health body, has said he does not expect there to be a significant difference in mortality rates between Italy and Germany in the long run.

“It’s too early to say whether Germany is better medically prepared for the Covid-19 pandemic than other countries,” said Marylyn Addo, who heads the infectiology department at Hamburg’s University Medical Centre.

One likely explanation for the discrepancy in figures, Addo suggested, was that while northern Italy’s hospitals are being overrun with new patients, Germany’s are not yet at full capacity and have had more time to clear beds, stock up on equipment and redistribute personnel.

“One advantage Germany has is that we started doing professional contact tracing when the first cases were reported,” Addo said. “It bought us some time to prepare our clinics for the coming storm.”

Crucially, Germany started testing people even with milder symptoms relatively early on, meaning the total number of confirmed cases may give a more accurate picture of the virus’s spread than in other states.

While Germany has not tested its citizens at the same high rate practised in South Korea, guidelines have been in place for more than a month for people to be tested even if they have early-stage symptoms but have either had contact with an infected person or recently visited a “high-risk area” such as Lombardy in Italy or Wuhan in China.

The age profile of those affected in the first few weeks has also been younger than in other countries, many of them fit and healthy people returning from skiing resorts in Austria or Italy, which would also help explain the low mortality rate.

“I assume that many young Italians are or were infected without ever being detected,” Christian Drosten, a virologist at Berlin’s Charité hospital, told the newspaper Die Zeit. “This also explains the virus’s supposedly higher mortality rate there.”

[...]
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In my understanding, large scale testing and contact tracing coupled with containment is starting to seem like the way to go. IINM in many countries officials abandoned this approach rather quickly, saying the infections have now become too numerous to keep track, so now it's time to just contain and slow down the spread by social distancing etc. measures without truly knowing where the infections take place. AFAIK South Korea has been the front runner in testing/more targeted efforts, with good results. Based on the numbers and that Guardian article, Germany seemingly as well. Although in some countries the (low) capacity to perform or analyze tests has allegedly been the barrier.



edit. Italy is for some reason missing. They have conducted over 200k tests. Also missing from this other graph, which adjusts the number of tests to the size of the population:



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AFAIK tracking down the infections is the latest recommendation from WHO as well, with South Korea, Singapore and China named as examples:

[...]

Countries can't simply lock down their societies to defeat coronavirus, the World Health Organization's top emergency expert said on Sunday, adding that public health measures are needed to avoid a resurgence of the virus later on.

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

"The danger right now with the lockdowns ... if we don't put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up."

Much of Europe and the United States have followed China and other Asian countries and introduced drastic restrictions to fight the new coronavirus, with most workers told to work from home and schools, bars, pubs and restaurants being closed.

Ryan said that the examples of China, Singapore and South Korea, which coupled restrictions with rigorous measures to test every possible suspect, provided a model for Europe, which the WHO has said has replaced Asia as the epicentre of the pandemic.

"Once we've suppressed the transmission, we have to go after the virus. We have to take the fight to the virus," Ryan said.

[...]
 

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Looks like Italy is on the right track

5560 new cases compared to 6557 yesterday
651 new deaths compared to 793 yesterday

finally a downward trend, albeit those being still horrific figures
downward trend continues, but still not as big as we want

In Italy,
4790 new cases
602 new deaths
 

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The number of reported dead in Germany is just not credible. Yes, lots of tests and doing them early would impact on new infections stats, and having more ICU beds per cápita than anyone else will impact on dead stats at some point, but neither explain the huge difference in deaths with other European countries while reporting similar infection stats and at a time ICU in those other countries ere not yet in saturation (Spain is in ICU- saturation in Madrid, Castilla-La Mancha and La Rioja since 3-4 days ago only, up to that day reported deaths multiplied German ones with similar number of cases)

Germany just isn't counting deaths the way everyone else is, that's all.
 

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Even with a small sore throat and congestion I have self isolated and not taken any risks.

I truly can't believe there are millennials and Gen Z out there who think (You Only Live Once) is the answer to this legitimate pandemic.

IBM in his 20's had respiratory distress and coughing and went to a hospital , what more evidence does MTF need?
 

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Glad you're feeling better 👍 hope you're totally recovered soon!
Thanks Bakano , I agree.

I'm glad to hear that you are a survivor @IBM and you have generally made it through the virus.

You are an outstanding person , online and probably in real life too. The world needs you around... The Ruins needs you ;)
 

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So good to hear that you're feeling better now @IBM.

I have just learned today that I'm infected, but since I live with a doctor who sees corona/COVID-19 patients almost every day I pretty much knew this couldn't be avoided. I was more or less hoping this would rather hit me sooner than later, so I guess I got lucky in that sense. Of course I would have preferred to have avoided all of this altogether, but you can't control everything in life, so I was not having any illusions about that.

So far I'm doing relatively well, considering all that could be going on. And I'm not panicking, just taking it day by day. You never know what's going to come next, but there's no need to make it worse by worrying about it.

I have fever, a very sore throat and some lugn issues, but nothing more than that so far. Ok, one more thing: I'm exremely tired.

I haven't been able to read through all the recent posts in this thread yet, being this tired, but in case you didn't know yet (and in case no one has posted anything about it in this thread already), there are already some sorts of existing treatments, i.e. medicin/drugs, which can be used for this virus. The problem with these is mainly that you need to be able to take them right away once the virus gets to your system, otherwise they'll no longer be effective. Also, they have side effects.

Bearing in mind this virus may not show any symptoms before it's far too late to take any medicin, I don't think these treatments are very effective, but I have in each case provided a small bottle of the drug to everyone I know who belongs to a risk group (long before I got infected naturally).
I have not taken any myself, as I feel that I can deal with this and am not really convinced about a large variety of drugs (unless they're well researched and you really need them, of course - I will take antibiotics for infections caused by bacteria if nothing else helps, but it's the last means I will use knowing they'll destroy so many useful bacteria in my body). They all have at least some side effects, some more severe than others, and you really can't be 100% sure how your body will react to them.

I wish all of you good health and hope that you manage to stay safe.

I also wish you wouldn't need to panic, since high stress levels won't help anyone in dealing with the virus.
At the same time I understand that all that is going on in the world right now will cause stress to many, and it won't help much if I keep on saying 'pls don't panic'.
However, take good care of yourself, all of you.

I can write an update on my situation later on once I know more, should anyone be interested. And I appreciate the way IBM has already contributed to all this.
 
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