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I know some people here have said they feel the Argentines are unfairly scrutinised and punished. But on the other hand the players have allegedly failed tests. It's hard to know what to believe anymore, but it seems Coria feels there's some unfair treatment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9328115/

Coria: Argentines singled out for doping
Tennis star says countrymen ‘under the spotlight’ unfairly

Updated: 3:30 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2005

BEIJING - Guillermo Coria complained on Tuesday that doping charges against Argentine tennis players were being blown out of proportion.

Guillermo Canas last month became the latest Argentine, including Coria, to be banned for doping by the ATP in recent years.

Coria believes, however, that his compatriots are being unfairly singled out.

"It's a real pity," he said. "Whenever there is a doping charge against a player from Argentina it seems it becomes a huge thing because it's Argentina."

Coria was banned for seven months in 2002 for testing positive for nandrolone.

Canas received a two-year suspension after being found guilty of using the prohibited diuretic hydrochlorothiazide (HCT) in Acapulco this year.

Juan Ignacio Chela and this year's French Open finalist Mariano Puerta have also served bans.

"It feels like Argentine players are under the spotlight," said Coria after winning his first-round match at the China Open.

"I hope there are no more problems and things just quiet down now."
 

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i do think the argentines are probably scrutinized more than mayb sum other countries..but if the guys keep testin positive this isn't gonna change netime soon.
 

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Too right, Little Fairy P.

Guille, honey, I love you to death, but the Argentines are under scrutiny for a reason. Maybe other players are deserving of such scrutiny too, but you and the other lads who have tested positive have brought this upon yourselves and your fellow countrymen. I wish it weren't so, but it is.
 

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i hope his point was lost in translation.

did rusedski and korda get scrutinised for testing positive? i would say 100 times more (in the english speaking world at least)

if anything it seems to me that there suspension are mentioned just in passing most of the time. i would expect some commentators to make a bigger deal of it than they do because they usually like to sensationalise.
 

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Well, those Argentines who haven't tested are unfairly scrutinized. I mean, you don't hear anybody making remarks about the entire Great Britain Davis Cup squad because one of the members happened to test positive at one point.

Regardless, I would be surprised if this was a good translation and would prefer to read the entire thing in it's original format before jumping all over Coria for not making a lot of sense. ;)
 

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Coria is very wrong. Fucking assholes like Canas doped for years of their career, then we have Puerta and Chela also? This is in little years more than from any other country.


Chloe said:
I mean, you don't hear anybody making remarks about the entire Great Britain Davis Cup squad because one of the members happened to test positive at one point.
It's right, but would it be three or four memebers of British team, then the same would be sayed about them like about Argentines.
 

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he's probably tired of answering questions about it and having it become a situation where people say 'the argentinian players' and someone immediately says, 'weren't they the ones on 'stoids?' but star is right, if they didnt keep having it happen, the attention wouldn't be there. they should stop including coria in those 'banned from tennis' stories however, since he was absolved. maybe they should mention "the atp has been proven wrong before..." :rolleyes:
 

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Jogy said:
Coria is very wrong. Fucking assholes like Canas doped for years of their career, then we have Puerta and Chela also? This is in little years more than from any other country.
While I really think that Coria should keep his mouth closed on this issue, I really wish that other people would take the time to examine the cases at least in vague detail before commenting on them.

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It's right, but would it be three or four memebers of British team, then the same would be sayed about them like about Argentines.
The team that Argentina took to Belarus in 2004, when Voltchkov made his snarky remarks, consisted of Juan Monaco, Lucus Arnold, Calleri and Canas. At the time, none of the 4 had tested positive, yet the comments were still made - because some of their countymen, none of whom were present, had tested positive at some point.

That is wrong, and that is the type of senario that I was talking about.

The recent tie against Australia would also fit. Why should Nalbandian and Etlis have to deal with some flack simply because other members of the team have tested positive in the past, or somebody who isn't even present has?

That's a problem, imo.

However, as I said, Coria is probably not the best person to sound off on the issue. It would sound a lot better coming from Nalbandian or Gaudio.
 

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Chloe said:
The team that Argentina took to Belarus in 2004, when Voltchkov made his snarky remarks, consisted of Juan Monaco, Lucus Arnold, Calleri and Canas. At the time, none of the 4 had tested positive, yet the comments were still made - because some of their countymen, none of whom were present, had tested positive at some point.
Yes it is wrong that this happens and that other Argentina players have to be addressed with always the same thing because some other fucking coutnrymen have messed this up.

But I am still saying: Would there be 3 or 4 cases of a British, French, Czech, Polish, whatever nationality like Argentina had it, people would automaticly raise questions about the British, French, Czech... team, no matter if the banned player ever was part of the team, is currently part of the team or not.

When 100.000 Polish people have bad reputation for coming over to other countries for stealing expensive cars, foreign people would say the Polish people are car stealers no matter if 10 million Polish people never stealed cars or not. The same it would be generalised for most other nations. And same it is for Argentina with doping in tennis because they have history. Wrong, but frequent common. And this is not an Argentina thing, I can't hear the crying anymore about that.

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hey Denaon dumbass :wavey: you can bad rep me as often like you want for saying that Canas or fucking Puerta doped. It does not change anymore and accept the reality that they cheated on ever other honest player :) :wavey:
 

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Jogy, have you ever bothered to familiarize yourself with Puerta's case? I don't understand how anybody could be so quick to jump the gun on him if they had bothered to actually read more than "puerta tested positive for...".

Even Coria's case was more sketchy than Puerta's.
 

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Jogy, have you ever bothered to familiarize yourself with Puerta's case? I don't understand how anybody could be so quick to jump the gun on him if they had bothered to actually read more than "puerta tested positive for...".
Yes, they could be not guilty. Yes, they could have taken something they did not know.

But have you ever thought about the victims of Puerta's, Canas' or Chela's doping, what the honest players are thinking when they lost to them:
"damn, this idiot had more fitness or power at the end of a long match and robbed my win, my title"
"damn, this guy took medicaments I was not allowed to take"
"I lost two times to such a guy in short time. Who knows how much his doping helped him to win against me?"
 

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Jogy said:
Yes it is wrong that this happens and that other Argentina players have to be addressed with always the same thing because some other fucking coutnrymen have messed this up.

But I am still saying: Would there be 3 or 4 cases of a British, French, Czech, Polish, whatever nationality like Argentina had it, people would automaticly raise questions about the British, French, Czech... team, no matter if the banned player ever was part of the team, is currently part of the team or not.

When 100.000 Polish people have bad reputation for coming over to other countries for stealing expensive cars, foreign people would say the Polish people are car stealers no matter if 10 million Polish people never stealed cars or not. The same it would be generalised for most other nations. And same it is for Argentina with doping in tennis because they have history. Wrong, but frequent common. And this is not an Argentina thing, I can't hear the crying anymore about that.

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hey Denaon dumbass :wavey: you can bad rep me as often like you want for saying that Canas or fucking Puerta doped. It does not change anymore and accept the reality that they cheated on ever other honest player :) :wavey:
I will, don't you doubt about it, and I will be glad to do so......you're an asshole, and I ignored your ignorant comments for long but I just had it. You're no judge to condemn anyone, it's not up to you to point fingers at anyone, and certainly have no right to insult Cañas or whoever else.
If Cañas did was he's been punished for, he will pay for it during these 2 years ban. That's the punishment.
I've already stated my point of view about ATP and its doping control, I won't do it now.
You are just a fuck of nature. And I will bad rep you on every insulting post you make, no matter how right or accurate it may be. I dislike you and from now on I won't hide it.
 

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Jogy said:
Yes, they could be not guilty. Yes, they could have taken something they did not know.

But have you ever thought about the victims of Puerta's, Canas' or Chela's doping, what the honest players are thinking when they lost to them:
"damn, this idiot had more fitness or power at the end of a long match and robbed my win, my title"
"damn, this guy took medicaments I was not allowed to take"
"I lost two times to such a guy in short time. Who knows how much his doping helped him to win against me?"
Okay, you didn't read it. Discussion over for now :)
 

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unfairly? hell, if i need drugs and the local junkie is out the next person i contact is a argentine tennis player.
You do that - but let us all know when you do it - so we can sell tickets....

I estimate that you will see the wrath and anger of said tennis player in about less than 10 seconds of your request and then you better start running....
 
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