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Corbyn is an anti-semite, nothing to see here.

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And his position on Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc etc is? The 'cult of personality' brewing for Corbyn is very worrying.
 

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And his position on Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc etc is?
He's stated his opinions on all of those countries, including his opposition to UK's arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Then again, freezing arms sales to KSA and Israel should be the minimum for any self-respectable country. It's rather unfortunate that the UK has a soft spot for murderous regimes.
 

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He's stated his opinions on all of those countries, including his opposition to UK's arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Then again, freezing arms sales to KSA and Israel should be the minimum for any self-respectable country. It's rather unfortunate that the UK has a soft spot for murderous regimes.
Yes, we all know that your opinion is that Israel should be left without arms so that Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and any other raggedy terrorist groups in the area could wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

And please don’t come back to say that wiping Israel off the face of the earth does not mean "Death to the Jews", it means a political destruction of Israel. It may mean that to you, but does not mean that to Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.
 

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And please don’t come back to say that wiping Israel off the face of the earth does not mean "Death to the Jews", it means a political destruction of Israel. It may mean that to you, but does not mean that to Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.
You know something rather funny? Back in Apartheid South Africa, the whites thought and claimed repeatedly that if Apartheid were to end and South Africa be in many way refounded as an equal-rights-for-all sort of country, the blacks, all of the sudden being the overwhelming majority, would kill and/or expell/dispossess all whites. After all, they were enraged due to being victims of mistreatment, discrimination and racism. All of that resentment and hatred had to find an outlet, right?

Well, it never happened. No mass killings occurred. No ethnic expulsions of white people happened. No robbery of white people's possessions either. South Africa gave equal rights to its indigenous black population and it went on to become a democracy. Not a perfect one, sure, but a democracy nonetheless.

Today Israel apologists try to present us the same fears. That if "the Jewish state" were to become a democracy and give equal rights to its indigenous Palestinian population they would kill/expell/dispossess Jews. History teaches us that those fears are often misguided and the result of a deliberate political strategy to maintain the status quo.
 

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You know something rather funny? Back in Apartheid South Africa, the whites thought and claimed repeatedly that if Apartheid were to end and South Africa be in many way refounded as an equal-rights-for-all sort of country, the blacks, all of the sudden being the overwhelming majority, would kill and/or expell/dispossess all whites. After all, they were enraged due to being victims of mistreatment, discrimination and racism. All of that resentment and hatred had to find an outlet, right?

Well, it never happened. No mass killings occurred. No ethnic expulsions of white people happened. No robbery of white people's possessions either. South Africa gave equal rights to its indigenous black population and it went on to become a democracy. Not a perfect one, sure, but a democracy nonetheless.

Today Israel apologists try to present us the same fears. That if "the Jewish state" were to become a democracy and give equal rights to its indigenous Palestinian population they would kill/expell/dispossess Jews. History teaches us that those fears are often misguided and the result of a deliberate political strategy to maintain the status quo.
I thought the Jews were an indigenous population.
 

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I thought the Jews were an indigenous population.
Some of them were, but the vast majority of Israel's current Jewish population is the result of rather recent arrival of Jews from Europe and elsewere who made aliyah.

Israel is considered to be a recent example of settler colonialism.
 

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I'm glad Jeremy Corbyn is standing his ground on this, even in the face of all the idiotic media smears being targeted at him right now. He has compromised with the "centrist" Blairite / Labour Friends of Israel clique far too often, which is a shame, as the mass of his party is on his side in the majority of these factional disputes.

The witch hunt about alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party is so transparently the desperate rattling of wealthy creeps who can no longer use their money to dictate Labour's policies. It reminds me of the nitwits in 2017 who tried to pretend that it was antisemitic to comment about Emmanuel Macron's credentials as an ex-Rothschild investment banker, rather than accept the efforts of sympathetic journalists to present him as an anti-establishment firebrand. I just hope this cynical exploitation will not cause anyone to dismiss or treat with scepticism reports of actual antisemitism when it rears its head (e.g. among the Azov fascists in Ukraine).
 

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I respect Corbyn's non-interventionism and I don't believe he is antisemitic.

On all other accounts I think one could make a strong argument that the man is an idiot. Praising Maduro is just the icing on the cake. Personally I find it odd that such person is a high profile politician in the UK. He reminds me of a long line of our local idiots here.
 

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England will always support Israel. After all, there wouldn't be any Israel without them. Corbyn is just playing his role and reading his script. It' like -"hey look, we're not all fascist here!" :lol:
 

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I respect Corbyn's non-interventionism and I don't believe he is antisemitic.

On all other accounts I think one could make a strong argument that the man is an idiot. Praising Maduro is just the icing on the cake. Personally I find it odd that such person is a high profile politician in the UK. He reminds me of a long line of our local idiots here.
As far as I am aware he didn't praise Maduro. He simply stated that he rejected foreign intervention in Venezuela.
 

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As far as I am aware he didn't praise Maduro. He simply stated that he rejected foreign intervention in Venezuela.
I don't think he would be that crazy to praise him right now. I remember what he was saying about him before but can't bother to google it.

I think even Chavez would be horrified by the blatant incompetence of his handpicked successor.

I don't blame Venezuelans who support Maduro. Many people still love Chavez, that's it. I feel sorry for all Venezuelans from the very beginning. I am not usually like that, normally I would refrain from making definite conclusions and especially emotions in a developing crisis, but to me this is all painfully obvious. And I am against a foreign intervention, because in the best case scenario it will poison the political life in Venezuela for years to come. The best thing imo would be somehow to have a free internationally monitored election, give immunity to Maduro and escort him to Cuba.
 

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I'm glad Jeremy Corbyn is standing his ground on this, even in the face of all the idiotic media smears being targeted at him right now. He has compromised with the "centrist" Blairite / Labour Friends of Israel clique far too often, which is a shame, as the mass of his party is on his side in the majority of these factional disputes.

The witch hunt about alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party is so transparently the desperate rattling of wealthy creeps who can no longer use their money to dictate Labour's policies. It reminds me of the nitwits in 2017 who tried to pretend that it was antisemitic to comment about Emmanuel Macron's credentials as an ex-Rothschild investment banker, rather than accept the efforts of sympathetic journalists to present him as an anti-establishment firebrand. I just hope this cynical exploitation will not cause anyone to dismiss or treat with scepticism reports of actual antisemitism when it rears its head (e.g. among the Azov fascists in Ukraine).
So the seven Labour MPs who resigned because of increasing antisemitism in their Party know less about this than you do?
 

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So the seven Labour MPs who resigned because of increasing antisemitism in their Party know less about this than you do?
They don't know less. You're just incorrectly assuming they have given a honest justification.
 

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They don't know less. You're just incorrectly assuming they have given a honest justification.
Why is it an incorrect assumption?

Do you know that they didn’t give an honest justification?

Are all Labour Party memebers liars and should I not believe a word they say?
 

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^ Afaik only some of them resigned because of that, not all. There were various reasons presented.
 

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^ Afaik only some of them resigned because of that, not all. There were various reasons presented.
This is very true, handling of Brexit policy was another key reason... plus Corbyn himself has been a divisive figure within the Labour Party so there are people that have just been waiting for a "crisis" to leave.

In my opinion if Corbyn was to publicly back a second referendum it would go some way to silencing the dissenters :shrug:
 

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^ Afaik only some of them resigned because of that, not all. There were various reasons presented.
And who did not resign because of that?

From all I have read, all of them resigned because of that and other reasons. I did not read that anyone said antisemitism was not a reason.
 
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