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I've been wondering why Murray's best results have come on grass.

If there is one person on tour that prefers long rallies it is exactly Andy.
Clay seems to suit his game much better, yet that is his worst surface.

So far I have 3 possible explanations which seem insufficient:
- Lendl had made a huge structural change on his game when he won OG and Wimbledon.
- Competition: many clay court specialists & few grass specialists.
- Superior movement on grass (due to more practice in his home country), inferior movement on clay compared to others.

Your thoughts?
Ideas how his career will develop from now on?
 

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I've been wondering why Murray's best results have come on grass.

If there is one person on tour that prefers long rallies it is exactly Andy.
Clay seems to suit his game much better, yet that is his worst surface.

So far I have 3 possible explanations which seem insufficient:
- Lendl had made a huge structural change on his game when he won OG and Wimbledon.
- Competition: many clay court specialists & few grass specialists.
- Superior movement on grass (due to more practice in his home country), inferior movement on clay compared to others.

Your thoughts?
Ideas how his career will develop from now on?
No.
 

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Murray is definitely one of the weakest Wimbledon champions of the last 50 years.

Del Potro made all the work for him in Wimbledon and Olympics, so Murray got shadows of Djokovic and Federer in the final.

The only great match that Andy played on grass was Olympics semi-final which was a very clutch performance from Grassray for his standards.

Clayray?:spit: Ferrer will not have any problems against him tomorrow:smoke:
 

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Andy is a great grass player, because of...

The low bounce is in his preferred hitting zone.
He gets more out of his serve.
His movement is incredible.
His low slice takes big-hitting opponents out of the match.
He can hit through the court more.
He can easily redirect pace.
He is the best returner on grass out of all active players.

But Clayray 3.0 is finally playing "clay court tennis" this year...

Sliding into shots better.
Not hitting as many big flat serves, just setting up the point.
Putting more spin on his forehand.
Going after his backhand down the line.
And his movement in his forehand corner is the best it has ever been.
 

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I've been wondering why Murray's best results have come on grass.

If there is one person on tour that prefers long rallies it is exactly Andy.
Clay seems to suit his game much better, yet that is his worst surface.

So far I have 3 possible explanations which seem insufficient:
- Lendl had made a huge structural change on his game when he won OG and Wimbledon.
- Competition: many clay court specialists & few grass specialists.
- Superior movement on grass (due to more practice in his home country), inferior movement on clay compared to others.

Your thoughts?
Ideas how his career will develop from now on?
Indoorray > Clayray > Hardray > Grassray. :D
 

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Murray is definitely one of the weakest Wimbledon champions of the last 50 years.

Del Potro made all the work for him in Wimbledon and Olympics, so Murray got shadows of Djokovic and Federer in the final.

The only great match that Andy played on grass was Olympics semi-final which was a very clutch performance from Grassray for his standards.

Clayray?:spit: Ferrer will not have any problems against him tomorrow:smoke:
Djokovic, Hewitt, Ivanisevic and Nadal all are inferior grass courters and that's just from the last 15 years or so.
 

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Murray is definitely one of the weakest Wimbledon champions of the last 50 years.

Del Potro made all the work for him in Wimbledon and Olympics, so Murray got shadows of Djokovic and Federer in the final.

The only great match that Andy played on grass was Olympics semi-final which was a very clutch performance from Grassray for his standards.

Clayray?:spit: Ferrer will not have any problems against him tomorrow:smoke:
This, Murrays best surface has always been hard courts, had it not been for novak murray would've won 4-6 slams on hard courts.

Murray isn't even much better on grass than clay it;s just that there are much more specialists on clay than there is on grass due to the fact that the grass season is only for 4 weeks of the year and the fact that it;s rafa and novaks weakest surface and fed was in decline in 2013 which is how he managed to win a slam on grass, am even tempted to say he is better on clay now that his back is 100%
 

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Djokovic, Hewitt, Ivanisevic and Nadal all are inferior grass courters and that's just from the last 15 years or so.
2 Wimbledon trophies for each one, no?


This, Murrays best surface has always been hard courts, had it not been for novak murray would've won 4-6 slams on hard courts.

Murray isn't even much better on grass than clay it;s just that there are much more specialists on clay than there is on grass due to the fact that the grass season is only for 4 weeks of the year and the fact that it;s rafa and novaks weakest surface and fed was in decline in 2013 which is how he managed to win a slam on grass, am even tempted to say he is better on clay now that his back is 100%
 

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Andy is a great grass player, because of...

The low bounce is in his preferred hitting zone.
He gets more out of his serve.
His movement is incredible.
His low slice takes big-hitting opponents out of the match.
He can hit through the court more.
He can easily redirect pace.
He is the best returner on grass out of all active players.

But Clayray 3.0 is finally playing "clay court tennis" this year...

Sliding into shots better.
Not hitting as many big flat serves, just setting up the point.
Putting more spin on his forehand.
Going after his backhand down the line.
And his movement in his forehand corner is the best it has ever been.
Also the fact that his back is now 100%, I have always rated murray on clay it's just that his back problems have always restricted his movement and from challenging the top guys on the surface, Now that all is well with his back i see no reason why he can't win rg at least once
 

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Both Ray's are overrated. Murray best surface is hardcourts.

But he's obviously being better on grass than on clay during his career. Not sure if is still the case these days, he looks more confortable in slower surfaces.
 

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Andy is a great grass player, because of...

The low bounce is in his preferred hitting zone.
He gets more out of his serve.
His movement is incredible.
His low slice takes big-hitting opponents out of the match.
He can hit through the court more.
He can easily redirect pace.
He is the best returner on grass out of all active players.

But Clayray 3.0 is finally playing "clay court tennis" this year...

Sliding into shots better.
Not hitting as many big flat serves, just setting up the point.
Putting more spin on his forehand.
Going after his backhand down the line.
And his movement in his forehand corner is the best it has ever been.
Some good observations here.

I actually see this version of Murray doing more damage on clay than on grass in the next 2-3 years. He will probably focus on the grass towards the end of his career for physical reasons.
 

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But Clayray 3.0 is finally playing "clay court tennis" this year...

Sliding into shots better.
Not hitting as many big flat serves, just setting up the point.
Putting more spin on his forehand.
Going after his backhand down the line.
And his movement in his forehand corner is the best it has ever been.
Still not convinced that the spin on his forehand will be consistently enough for even 4-5 sets vs Djokovic/Nadal.
His serving's been also not the best so far, could not repeat his very consistent performance in Madrid.
His movement will still be exposed by Djokovic/Nadal/Wawrinka over 4-5 sets.
So against the very top, Clayray will be definitely not enough.

Against minor opposition (Kohlschreiber etc.)? All the way.
And although I agree about his strengths on grass, last year he was only an echo of his Grassray self. And that was not all due to being not fully recovered, so he needs to regain his 2012-13 form there.
Overall it is pretty even for me, with a potential high level on both surfaces, but there are a few players at the top who can surprise or upset him, still... on grass it is like with fast HC for Djokovic. He is among the best, but not the clear favorite.
 

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He's the best defender on grass - which helps him on the 'slow' modern day show courts of Wimbledon (less so at Queens).

His flat groundstrokes are also very effective on the surface.

Clay would seem to suit his game, but he's never been a natural mover on the surface and struggles to generate his own pace consistently, making him easier to attack.
 

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Murray is definitely one of the weakest Wimbledon champions of the last 50 years.

Del Potro made all the work for him in Wimbledon and Olympics, so Murray got shadows of Djokovic and Federer in the final.

The only great match that Andy played on grass was Olympics semi-final which was a very clutch performance from Grassray for his standards.

Clayray?:spit: Ferrer will not have any problems against him tomorrow:smoke:
Dont make excuses. Murray kicked Djokovics arse good and proper WIM 13. And denied Federer something he wants on his resume badly at the Olympics 2012. You face who you FACE. That's tennis. We could moan about Federers WEAK opposition 2004--2006. There's always the fans of one top player making excuses for why their man failed against another player STOP IT!!!!
 

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:stupid: Murray better suited for Clay

Murray's game is perfectly suited for grass
 

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Yes true, without Del Potro murrie would have no grandslams at all. Have u ever wondered why murrie has never won a grandslam since Del Potro has been out with injuries.
 

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Yes true, without Del Potro murrie would have no grandslams at all. Have u ever wondered why murrie has never won a grandslam since Del Potro has been out with injuries.
Yeah, that TB set Delpo forced against Djokovic in USO'12 just took too much out the Serb.
 

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Yes true, without Del Potro murrie would have no grandslams at all. Have u ever wondered why murrie has never won a grandslam since Del Potro has been out with injuries.
Or just imagine Del Potro kept meeting and putting out Djokovic and also made those AO finals with Murray...

Murray has 5 slams if Delpo is the finalist instead of Djoker.
 
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