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The field in tennis is strong!
Djokovic-Nadal-Federer a freak accident that allowed for 3 greatest players of all time to play at the same time.
Then we got good solid grand slam winners as in Murray,as soon as he was away from the tennis scene for some time he is having a hard time going past R2 at a Grand Slam, thats how competitive tennis is at the moment.
As soon as you lose 5-10% of your edge the field eats you up.. we saw the same thing happen to Novak..

Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic to name a few.. 5 grand slams between them.. nearly impossible for Next Gen to win them in inspired form in a Grand Slam match.

Then we got experienced players who have never won a slam, but have learned and gained a lot of tennis knowledge and skill playing in the greatest era of tennis ever.. Isner/Anderson, Nishikori, Dimitrov, Fognini, Raonic etc..

I mean majority on MTF can not see the forest for the trees.

The game is more rally based, less based on luck and more on experience, endurance and mental strength.. proper diet and preparation.

For a next gen to win a slam in todays tennis, he probably needs to beat a player with a GS win and
1 or 2 All time greats Djo/Fed/Nad, combined with a solid and competitive field.. makes todays grand slams
very hard even from round 1.

And i agree that this next gen has probably not brought with it an All time great (8-10+ GS winner)
But that dont make them that bad, the strongest era in tennis make them look worse than they are..
And they get all the blame.
 

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This theory was destroyed when Zverev started passing Gen Useless, and certainly now Tsitsipas and Coric are as well. They've underwhelmed at Slams so far, but they're getting there. It was Gen Useless that is to blame for Fedalovic winning the last few years as shadows of their former selves.
 

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This theory was destroyed when Zverev started passing Gen Useless, and certainly now Tsitsipas and Coric are as well. They've underwhelmed at Slams so far, but they're getting there. It was Gen Useless that is to blame for Fedalovic winning the last few years as shadows of their former selves.
Absolut bullcrap, only tennis forum dwellers might agree with you on that..

That Djo-Nad semi final is probably one of the highest levels played on a grass court..

The 2015-2016 Djokovic would not be stopped by any "becker-next gens"

And i can´t see any kind of imaginary "generation" stopping Nadal at RG, other than another Nadal Prodigy.


The problem is the cynical views
"Gens are crap"
"Fedalovic winning because of crap gens"
 

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It is not simply a case of a slightly underwhelming generation below the top guys, which I can agree has something to do with it, but it is even more so a case that the Big Three are true masters of the game, which is allowing them dominate in this manner, their multi-generational longevity is testament to that!
 

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If Nadal/Fed/Nole didn't have 500k miles on them 2 of them as fathers and injuries) and 31 plus year olds old? You may have an argument. If Wawrinka (who didn't win shit) until the last few years win 3-4 slams at around 30, you may have had an argument. If the top guys today who are 30 plus like Del Potro, Cilic, Isner etc. weren't also dominating these field of 20 year old MUGS. you MAY have an argument.

You have no argument.


This is the most useless generation of beta crybabies ever. 30 plus year olds still dominate because the 20 years olds have no drive or willing to make a sacrifice to be the best.


The next generation is to blame why we have all 35 year olds still dominating the game
 

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If Nadal/Fed/Nole didn't have 500k miles on them 2 of them as fathers and injuries) and 31 plus year olds old? You may have an argument. If Wawrinka (who didn't win shit) until the last few years win 3-4 slams at around 30, you may have had an argument. If the top guys today who are 30 plus like Del Potro, Cilic, Isner etc. weren't also dominating these field of 20 year old MUGS. you MAY have an argument.

You have no argument.


This is the most useless generation of beta crybabies ever. 30 plus year olds still dominate because the 20 years olds have no drive or willing to make a sacrifice to be the best.


The next generation is to blame why we have all 35 year olds still dominating the game
The fact that the modern day tennis is full of 30 year olds keeping absolute top shape is what makes the field strong..

It was easier before when people retired their sports careers as soon as they blew the 30 candles on the cake, perhaps because they shared your ignorant and naive view of "age"
"YOU ARE X OLD, YOU CAN NOT PLAY GOOD ANYMORE, STOP BELIEVING IN YOURSELF, RETIRE AND ENJOY THE MONEY AND YACHT TRIPS"

Your either a mental case, or butthurt that Sampras is getting over passed by 3 better players.
 

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Djokovic-Nadal-Federer a freak accident that allowed for 3 greatest players of all time to play at the same time.
As usual the truth lies in between, but IMO you're giving way too much praise to the games of the youngsters.

Along with the complete lack and absence of any kind of talent, most youngsters have no net game, most camp the baseline and play exactly the same way. Guys like Zverev, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov, Chung, etc are all factory-produced robots programmed in a very basic script of baseline ball-bashing. Variety destroys youngsters, who only got to this level by playing other youngsters who play the same old tired game.

There's hardly any youngsters who are complete players. They're allergic to the net, don't have a ROS, and can't even hit against slice. They are absolutely useless and deserve the criticism they get. Zverev can't even hit a flat forehand against a low slice - such terrible players.
 

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The field in tennis is strong!
Djokovic-Nadal-Federer a freak accident that allowed for 3 greatest players of all time to play at the same time.
Then we got good solid grand slam winners as in Murray,as soon as he was away from the tennis scene for some time he is having a hard time going past R2 at a Grand Slam, thats how competitive tennis is at the moment.
As soon as you lose 5-10% of your edge the field eats you up.. we saw the same thing happen to Novak..

Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic to name a few.. 5 grand slams between them.. nearly impossible for Next Gen to win them in inspired form in a Grand Slam match.

Then we got experienced players who have never won a slam, but have learned and gained a lot of tennis knowledge and skill playing in the greatest era of tennis ever.. Isner/Anderson, Nishikori, Dimitrov, Fognini, Raonic etc..

I mean majority on MTF can not see the forest for the trees.

The game is more rally based, less based on luck and more on experience, endurance and mental strength.. proper diet and preparation.

For a next gen to win a slam in todays tennis, he probably needs to beat a player with a GS win and
1 or 2 All time greats Djo/Fed/Nad, combined with a solid and competitive field.. makes todays grand slams
very hard even from round 1.

And i agree that this next gen has probably not brought with it an All time great (8-10+ GS winner)
But that dont make them that bad, the strongest era in tennis make them look worse than they are..
And they get all the blame.
Yes, I keep saying this. General level of tennis comprehension on this site re. tennis is very low. Sorry, but true!

But it's not a freak accident--Big 3 made each other that great, each one kept raising the bar. Maybe it's a freak accident that we had 3 at once capable of raising their game to meet the others, more than once, sometimes more than twice.

Not only that, but the feild itself is stronger than it's ever been. Gasquet said it's harder not to beat #100 and on than it ever was.

But this is the internet, and everyone has an opinion--no matter how uninformed.
 

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There's simply no excuse for youngsters. Once you hit 19 and go to the gym for 2 years, you're in your physical prime. If you have the talent, then that's all you need to push out the old guys but young players are so bad that old guys actually outlast them physically.
 

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If Nadal/Fed/Nole didn't have 500k miles on them 2 of them as fathers and injuries) and 31 plus year olds old? You may have an argument. If Wawrinka (who didn't win shit) until the last few years win 3-4 slams at around 30, you may have had an argument. If the top guys today who are 30 plus like Del Potro, Cilic, Isner etc. weren't also dominating these field of 20 year old MUGS. you MAY have an argument.

You have no argument.


This is the most useless generation of beta crybabies ever. 30 plus year olds still dominate because the 20 years olds have no drive or willing to make a sacrifice to be the best.


The next generation is to blame why we have all 35 year olds still dominating the game
The OP explained pretty well why all the players winning slams are around 30+ years old.

"The game is more rally based, less based on luck and more on experience, endurance and mental strength.. proper diet and preparation."

This sentence above perfectly explains why young guys are struggling to break through and win slams in their early 20s. These are all things that you gain over years of hard work and training. Expecting these young guys to outlast guys like Federer/Nadal/Djokovic in a best of 5 match at a GS is unrealistic. Not to mention all of the other guys that have been getting strengthened by constantly having to go up against those three players. Technology and medical/health advancements have done a lot to help the older players maintain a higher level of play much longer as well.
 

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Big 3 made each other great but Father Time is undefeated (no getting around it). The big 3 should have made OTHERS great. Yet we got here again?

Fed-37
Nole-31
Isner-33
Nadal-32
Del Potro-30
Cilic-Almost 30.

Where the hell is everyone else???
 

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The OP explained pretty well why all the players winning slams are around 30+ years old.

"The game is more rally based, less based on luck and more on experience, endurance and mental strength.. proper diet and preparation."

This sentence above perfectly explains why young guys are struggling to break through and win slams in their early 20s. These are all things that you gain over years of hard work and training. Expecting these young guys to outlast guys like Federer/Nadal/Djokovic in a best of 5 match at a GS is unrealistic. Not to mention all of the other guys that have been getting strengthened by constantly having to go up against those three players. Technology and medical/health advancements have done a lot to help the older players maintain a higher level of play much longer as well.
The fact its more rally based and stamina/Endurance driven should be more in the hands of the young guys then. . Also why is Del Potro/Isner still bullying these guys? They aren't exactly known as All time great Ralliers? Sounds like just a horrible generation of new players to me
 

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There's simply no excuse for youngsters. Once you hit 19 and go to the gym for 2 years, you're in your physical prime. If you have the talent, then that's all you need to push out the old guys but young players are so bad that old guys actually outlast them physically.
It's not just a physical battle though. A huge part of this game is mental and these young guys have no chance of coming close to the big 3 when it comes to a battle of mental fortitude.
 

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It's not just a physical battle though. A huge part of this game is mental and these young guys have no chance of coming close to the big 3 when it comes to a battle of mental fortitude.
Agreed - they're all heartless except Di Minaur. He's the only one *potentially* that was born a winner. The rest have fake heart like Zverev
 

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It's not just a physical battle though. A huge part of this game is mental and these young guys have no chance of coming close to the big 3 when it comes to a battle of mental fortitude.


That brings up another question. Why don't they have any mental fortitude? Every generation before this one did when they were young. We used to have 17-20 year olds winning slams.

Theres OBVIOUSLY a problem with this generation.
 

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The fact its more rally based and stamina/Endurance driven should be more in the hands of the young guys then. . Also why is Del Potro/Isner still bullying these guys? They aren't exactly known as All time great Ralliers? Sounds like just a horrible generation of new players to me
Endurance reaches its peak at the age of 30+

The best marathon runners are often over 32 years of age.
 

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Agreed - they're all heartless except Di Minaur. He's the only one *potentially* that was born a winner. The rest have fake heart like Zverev
It's not only about heart, but also has a lot to do with confidence and mental clarity under duress. Winning matches and especially winning big matches and constantly being in those high pressure situations will make any player more mentally tough and calm under pressure.
 

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That brings up another question. Why don't they have any mental fortitude? Every generation before this one did when they were young. We used to have 17-20 year olds winning slams.

Theres OBVIOUSLY a problem with this generation.
Most generations don't have one (let alone three) great players that are still playing extremely well into their 30s. It's one thing to come along and knock off one great player, but right now you have 3 different guys that you have to overtake and they are all still playing very well.
 
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