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Here is an interesting article I just read.



Can Novak Djokovic be the Greatest of All Time?

The dust has well and truly settled from Novak Djokovic lifting the Wimbledon title. It was another major victory for the Serb that has been accompanied by significantly less fanfare than his compatriots. Now with 9 Grand Slam titles, he is certainly entering the argument as to whether he can become the greatest tennis player of all time.

17 is the magic number. Surpass the mammoth total set by Roger Federer and all other statistics and records will fade into the background. Sure, weeks at number one, career titles and win percentage would contribute to this debate, but Grand Slam titles has become the de facto measure of who is the greatest.

– Lob and Smash 2015 Grand Slam Predictions –

Djokovic has established a mighty stranglehold on the top titles in tennis. Once again in 2015 he is been near unbeatable at the headline events, including Grand Slams as well as Masters 1000 events. His unerring consistency is quickly launching the world number one into the history books.



Age: 28 (22 May 1987)

Grand Slam Finals: 9 (5 AUS, 3 WIM, 1 US)

Grand Slam Titles: 17 (5 AUS, 3 FRA, 4 WIM, 5 US)



At 28 years of age, Djokovic is the kind of physical specimen who you can imagine will enjoy an extended career. Meticulous with detail both on and off the court, he has matured into the model athlete in so many ways. His body seems impervious to injury, something that helped Roger Federer challenge for so many majors in his prime.

Putting numbers to the discussion is based heavily in speculation. Saying that he could have five more years at the very top of the sport would suggest that he will compete in, approximately, 20 more majors. In the last five years he has won 8, evidencing why many believe he is within striking distance of 19.

Imagining how he will register 8 more Grand Slams to tie the all-time record, or 9 to beat it, requires some level of optimism, but it isn’t out of the realms of possibility. His hold over the Australian Open is remarkable, whilst he has won Wimbledon for the last two years.

His lone US Open win will be earmarked for improvement. He has lost four finals in New York and his tilt at being the very best may well hinge on righting that record. Even the French Open, where he barron run continued in surprise fashion, is not out of his reach.



Novak Djokovic’s Grand Slam History

Tournament 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Aus Open 1R 1R 4R W QF QF W W W QF W
French Open 2R QF SF SF 3R QF SF F SF F F
Wimbledon 3R 4R SF 2R QF SF W SF F W W
US Open 3R 3R F SF SF F W F F SF –


Who Can Stop Him?

Much of the discussion will centre around Djokovic himself and rightly so. He has shown that on his day, he is virtually unbeatable. Performances that have halted his progress, especially at the majors, have had to be inspired. Look no further than Stan Wawrinka in Paris.

However, other names in a variety of ways could have a huge impact of Djokovic’s quest. This has been the era of the Big Four and none of the four men have ever let each other win anything without a fight. Young and emerging talent will also been desperate to end the dominance of Djokovic and co.



Roger Federer

Federer may not have many years in him to contest directly with Djokovic in the latter rounds of Slams, however, he can push the record out of reach. If he were to win one or two more majors, then the number that Djokovic is targeting goes from being hard to nearly impossible.



Andy Murray

You would have to think that in the next few years Djokovic’s main rival will be Murray. The pair have already contested 5 Grand Slam titles, with Djokovic leading their head to head on the biggest stage 3 to 2. He is much more dominant in their career head to head, holding a 19-8 advantage.

Currently the world number 1 has the measure of Murray, winning their last eight meetings. The Britain will soon be the world number 2 and that means that the pair will only have more meetings in the finals of events.

– Andy Murray having career year in 2015 –

Murray may well be going through a barren patch against Djokovic, but if there is one characteristic that has marked his career it is his steely resolve. He will be looking for solutions to get back at the Serbian star, knowing that it is his own personal hurdle preventing him from more Grand Slam success.



Kei Nishikori

You have to think that a player outside of the Big Four is going to emerge as a consistent contender at the Grand Slams. It is something that we have been expecting for a number of years, yet still it hasn’t come to fruition. Stan Wawrinka is the only player to have truly shaken the status quo.

I think that Nishikori could be the man to step into the shoes of the Big Four as their powers begin to decline. He is effective on all surfaces, has shown his pedigree at the Grand Slams and when he is fully fit I believe he is a match for anyone.



Young Talent

One of the biggest unknowns in this debate is whether a player will emerge to challenge Djokovic for the major titles that he craves. Whilst we can be sure that the likes of Kyrgios and Thiem are a distance off going all the way, in a few years it is much harder to predict their level.

Djokovic has done a great job in recent years dampening the hopes of those around him. He does so by consistently reproducing a frighteningly high level of tennis. He most certainly has the ability to become the greatest of all time, but will he have the longevity to get close to 17 majors?



http://lobandsmash.com/2015/08/04/can-novak-djokovic-be-the-greatest-of-all-time/
 

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It all depends on how long this current zero competition weak era lasts. He can inflate his Slam title count far beyond where it would've been in a competitive era but there is only so much luck can buy you. Novak is 9-8 in finals, a born loser. He'll be remembered like Lendl, unloved and blotted out. I say he can get to like 12 or 13. No matter how high his number goes though, people will never regard him very highly, especially not as the Greatest ever.
 

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It is too early for this. I said earlier I do not believe in this GOAT debate.

The question is how much Djokovic can achieve. Nobody knows. He seems to be untouchable at the moment and he clearly ruling the world.

Overall, when I look at the big picture I don't see anybody 'hurting' him. Sure, he'll lose some matches here and there but again overall ... I don't see anybody. Many people are making a big deal about his loss to Stan da man at RG. The way I look at it is Nole won 2 majors, all masters he entered this year. Not to shabby ;).

So, I'd say let's wait and see. Djokovic seems to be super focused and dedicated.
 

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It all depends on how long this current zero competition weak era lasts. He can inflate his Slam title count far beyond where it would've been in a competitive era but there is only so much luck can buy you. Novak is 9-8 in finals, a born loser. He'll be remembered like Lendl, unloved and blotted out. I say he can get to like 12 or 13. No matter how high his number goes though, people will never regard him very highly, especially not as the Greatest ever.




Oh wow...:eek:...aren't you just a bed full of roses. You sound more unloved than he ever could ever be.
 

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It is too early for this. I said earlier I do not believe in this GOAT debate.

The question is how much Djokovic can achieve. Nobody knows. He seems to be untouchable at the moment and he clearly ruling the world.

Overall, when I look at the big picture I don't see anybody 'hurting' him. Sure, he'll lose some matches here and there but again overall ... I don't see anybody. Many people are making a big deal about his loss to Stan da man at RG. The way I look at it is Nole won 2 majors, all masters he entered this year. Not to shabby ;).

So, I'd say let's wait and see. Djokovic seems to be super focused and dedicated.


Yea definitely too early to tell but an interesting read. The author is already predicting Slam totals. :lol: Only time will tell.
 

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It all depends on how long this current zero competition weak era lasts. He can inflate his Slam title count far beyond where it would've been in a competitive era but there is only so much luck can buy you. Novak is 9-8 in finals, a born loser. He'll be remembered like Lendl, unloved and blotted out. I say he can get to like 12 or 13. No matter how high his number goes though, people will never regard him very highly, especially not as the Greatest ever.
:stupid:

So much butthurt and low class trash in this post. Just remind us how bad can Nadal's fans be and how low can they sink.

So a player with 9 slams is a "born loser"? :smash:

Also, if anyone on the current tour is rightfully and justifiably "unloved and blotted out" that is cheater Nadal with really inflated slam count due to luck, cheating and Tony's backdoor deals.

Disgusting and ignorant post.
 
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Djokovic blew his opportunity to accomplish something truly special in years 2012 - 2014. Had he won 2 slams per season in those years he would be now at 12 slams and I am sure Federer would be very concerned about his grand slam record. Realistically I would be amazing if Djokovic surpasses Sampras/Nadal.
 

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It all depends on how long this current zero competition weak era lasts. He can inflate his Slam title count far beyond where it would've been in a competitive era but there is only so much luck can buy you. Novak is 9-8 in finals, a born loser. He'll be remembered like Lendl, unloved and blotted out. I say he can get to like 12 or 13. No matter how high his number goes though, people will never regard him very highly, especially not as the Greatest ever.
Oh, unloved ... oh this, oh that. Djokovic has millions of fans all over the world stupid.

Rafa trolls are amazing. Djokovic a born loser :lol:. When did you start watching tennis? Yesterday?

Is your Rafa pussy kinda dry tonight? You have no clue dude. Stop posting stupid nonsense.
 

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Wow let's really share articles with this level of editing (oy):

Age: 28 (22 May 1987)

Grand Slam Finals: 9 (5 AUS, 3 WIM, 1 US)

Grand Slam Titles: 17 (5 AUS, 3 FRA, 4 WIM, 5 US)
 

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Wow let's really share articles with this level of editing (oy):

Age: 28 (22 May 1987)

Grand Slam Finals: 9 (5 AUS, 3 WIM, 1 US)

Grand Slam Titles: 17 (5 AUS, 3 FRA, 4 WIM, 5 US)


He's predicting which he states in the article.
 

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Djokovic blew his opportunity to accomplish something truly special in years 2012 - 2014. Had he won 2 slams per season in those years he would be now at 12 slams and I am sure Federer would be very concerned about his grand slam record. Realistically I would be amazing if Djokovic surpasses Sampras/Nadal.
Djokovic is still active. Be patient. You never know ;).

Now, because of this stupid Rafa troll, I might be trolling here a little bit :angel:. I just need to come up with some ideas :devil:.
 

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Oh, unloved ... oh this, oh that. Djokovic has millions of fans all over the world stupid.

Rafa trolls are amazing. Djokovic a born loser :lol:. When did you start watching tennis? Yesterday?

Is your Rafa pussy kinda dry tonight? You have no clue dude. Stop posting stupid nonsense.

If you consider Serbian Nationalists, and Italian and Chinese gloryhunters the whole world than sure.

He's the crowd underdog from R1 in every other venue in the world. It's quite clear the tennis world dislikes him and if you don't see that you need to listen to the crowd during his matches at tournaments and take off those rose tinted glasses.

Novak is a born loser. He's such a good loser and loses quite often in finals. 2 finals to fucking MURRAY, the biggest born loser of them all. When Novak runs into a better player late in slams bar 2011, he loses, simple as that. A one year wonder who has fluked the rest of his career in a weak era or by luck. Should've been slamless 2012-13, and still would've had many weeks at #1 those years :lol:.

He's the Masters GOAT. Mastersovic. Nothing more. Exposed by better players in the tournaments that are remembered.
 

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Statistically, Djokovic could've overtaken Federer somewhat by winning the CYGS this year, that was his only chance to sort of force the tennis pundits to take note. All said n done, Wawrinka was a beatable opponent, it wasn't like he was pitted with a nightmare matchup who he has no shot against like Fed against prime Nadal at RG. Prime Fed would swap Wawrinka with Nadal in a heartbeat. We saw how when his window opened in 09 he made no mistakes. So it was a bad bad miss by Nole. He could still end up among the pantheon of greats by getting into double digits, thats a bare minimum requirement these days. 12-13 slams with about 3 USOs and 1 RG and he'll be right up there with Borg,Sampras.
I just think Laver and Federer are far too ahead to catch, statistically anyway.

Gamewise, Federer has no equal. He's just the best.
 

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If you consider Serbian Nationalists, and Italian and Chinese gloryhunters the whole world than sure.

He's the crowd underdog from R1 in every other venue in the world. It's quite clear the tennis world dislikes him and if you don't see that you need to listen to the crowd during his matches at tournaments and take off those rose tinted glasses.

Novak is a born loser. He's such a good loser and loses quite often in finals. 2 finals to fucking MURRAY, the biggest born loser of them all. When Novak runs into a better player late in slams bar 2011, he loses, simple as that. A one year wonder who has fluked the rest of his career in a weak era or by luck. Should've been slamless 2012-13, and still would've had many weeks at #1 those years :lol:.

He's the Masters GOAT. Mastersovic. Nothing more. Exposed by better players in the tournaments that are remembered.


I'm not Serbian, Chinese or Italian. Go figure. Who cares about a f***ing crowd. I love being the underdog and everybody not wanting me to have something. It makes me work harder for it and makes it that much sweeter when I achieve it. I loved the way he shut that Wimbledon crowd down this year and roared right in their faces. Loved it. He has 9 Slam titles but he's a born loser. :rolls: Stay mad and get some Preparation H for that sore a** of yours. You will most likely need it.
 

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It all depends on how long this current zero competition weak era lasts. He can inflate his Slam title count far beyond where it would've been in a competitive era but there is only so much luck can buy you. Novak is 9-8 in finals, a born loser. He'll be remembered like Lendl, unloved and blotted out. I say he can get to like 12 or 13. No matter how high his number goes though, people will never regard him very highly, especially not as the Greatest ever.
I see you're preparing the excuses in advance just in case Djokovic does get near the slam record. :yeah:
Also, how is he a "born loser" with a 9-8 record? That's more wins than losses. :confused:

And people act as if losing slam finals is a terrible thing. It is in the sense that it yields the player and his fans the most disappointment, but in terms of statistics and legacy it is much better to lose in the final than to lose in a prior round.
Consider Wimbledon 2013, for example. It is much more impressive to say that you made it to the finals and lost, than to say that you lost in R1.
 

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I'm not Serbian, Chinese or Italian. Go figure. Who cares about a f***ing crowd. I love being the underdog and everybody not wanting me to have something. It makes me work harder for it. I loved the way he shut that Wimbledon crowd down this year and roared right in their faces. Loved it. He has 9 Slam titles but he's a born loser. :rolls: Stay mad and get some Preparation H for that sore a** of yours. You will most likely need it.
Gloryhunters can exist anywhere in the world. The majority of them however are harboured in China and Italy. But the vast majority elsewhere dislike Novak. I've been to many venues around the world for matches and nearly everyone I have a chat with sitting near me dislikes Novak. He's disliked globally on the whole, that's just a fact. You Novak fans shouldn't care, he's #1 sitting on 9 slams with zero possible derailing opponents visible right now. Enjoy the luck, I know I would. The world won't look fondly back on Novak, but as a fan you shouldn't give a fuck.


I see you're preparing the excuses in advance just in case Djokovic does get near the slam record. :yeah:
Also, how is he a "born loser" with a 9-8 record? That's more wins than losses. :confused:

And people act as if losing slam finals is a terrible thing. It is in the sense that it yields the player and his fans the most disappointment, but in terms of statistics and legacy it is much better to lose in the final than to lose in a prior round.
Consider Wimbledon 2013, for example. It is much more impressive to say that you made it to the finals and lost, than to say that you lost in R1.
I know Novak too well to believe he has a legitimate shot at any slam record. He is outclutched so easily. That's why he'll never be a GOAT candidate, just an all time great.

Losing slam finals is a very bad thing. The best players are at their best when the biggest prize is on the line. The ones who show up mentally and outclutch their opponents are in a class of their own from ones who often get there with stellar consistency but then are outclassed. It is much better to lose early when not at your best then to lose late when you are in fine form. If Nadal managed to lose to Nishikori when Olderer or Mugrin were there in the final I'd have put a bullet in my head :lol:
 

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Gloryhunters can exist anywhere in the world. The majority of them however are harboured in China and Italy. But the vast majority elsewhere dislike Novak. I've been to many venues around the world for matches and nearly everyone I have a chat with sitting near me dislikes Novak. He's disliked globally on the whole, that's just a fact. You Novak fans shouldn't care, he's #1 sitting on 9 slams with zero possible derailing opponents visible right now. Enjoy the luck, I know I would. The world won't look fondly back on Novak, but as a fan you shouldn't give a fuck.


I don't give a f**k. Novak has millions of fans all over the globe of all different races so who cares if some don't like him. It's not like you win Grand Slams by how many people are in the stands. I love that he is the outsider. What I do have a problem with is people like you trying to dampen what he's accomplished because you have a personal problem. Take that s**t elsewhere.
 

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Wow let's really share articles with this level of editing (oy):

Age: 28 (22 May 1987)

Grand Slam Finals: 9 (5 AUS, 3 WIM, 1 US)

Grand Slam Titles: 17 (5 AUS, 3 FRA, 4 WIM, 5 US)
He's predicting which he states in the article.
Those are some very strange predictions. He doesn't think Novak will win any more AO's, but will win 3 RG's, and 4 more USO's?
If we assumed that he will win 8 more slams to end with 17, then at least 2 or 3 of those would likely be at the AO.
 

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Those are some very strange predictions. He doesn't think Novak will win any more AO's, but will win 3 RG's, and 4 more USO's?
If we assumed that he will win 8 more slams to end with 17, then at least 2 or 3 of those would likely be at the AO.

Yea very strange indeed. I don't agree with his predictions at all. 3 RG's? I highly doubt that. He should have won 3 but has squandered 2 or 3 already. More Aussies would be a safer bet and less US Opens.
 
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