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After having done the number for Djokovic 2015 vs Fed 2006, the numbers say that Djoko 2015 was better, whether we use 2006 points or 2015 points. In either case, Djoko had a better season. Not by much, but it was better.

Which led me to ask which one had a better 2nd best season. Muddying the waters is the fact that in 2011 we had a different ranking system than we did in 2007. So I have calculated all the points accumulated from each player and did the numbers for both the 2011 season and 2007 season. Djoker's 2011 points are first, followed by 2007 points, and Fed has 2007 points first followed by 2011 points.

Djoker 2011-

AO- W, 2000, 1000
Dubai- W, 500, 300
IW- W, 1000, 500
Miami- W, 1000, 500
Belgrade- W, 250, 175
Madrid- W, 1000, 500
Rome- W, 1000, 500
RG- SF, 720, 450
W- W, 2000, 1000
Canada- W, 1000, 500
Cincy- F, 600, 350
USO- W, 2000, 1000
Basel- SF, 180, 110
Paris- QF, 180, 125
TMC- 1-2 RR, 200, 100

13,630, 7,110

Fed 2007-

AO- W, 1000, 2000
Dubai- W, 300, 500
IW- R64, 5, 10
Mia- R16, 75, 90
MC- F, 350, 600
Rome- R16, 75, 90
Hamburg- W, 500, 1000
RG- F, 700, 1200
W- W, 1000, 2000
Canada- F, 350, 600
Cincy- W, 500, 1000
USO- W, 1000, 2000
2 relegation wins in DC, 15
Madrid- F, 350, 600
Basel- W, 250, 500
Paris- R16, 75, 90
TMC- 4-1 W, 1300

Total- 7,180 and then 13,595

So Djokovic leads 13,630 to 13,595 by 2011 points but Fed leads 7,180 to 7,110 in 2007 points

So is it a wash? Looks very very even to me. Fed went 68-9 while Djoker went 70-6. Each won 3 slams. Djoko 10 titles vs Fed 8. Djoker won 5 Masters and 2 MM while Fed won only 2 Masters 1000 and 2 MM but Fed won the Year end Masters while Djoker did not make it out of RR. Is it better to win 5 Master 1000 and another F and bomb in the YE Masters, or is it better to win 2 Master 1000 with 3 other finals and win the YEC?

Who had a better season? Djokovic 2011 or Fed 2007?
 

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I don't know, it looks like 2011 Djokovic has more points but imo I prefer always seasons with 3 GS + Masters (Fed: 2004-06-07) even though I think Djokovic is playing better in 2011 than 2015.

Like Nadal plays better in 2008, but made the little slam in 2010.

For me, Federer wins a slam in 2010 but plays better in 2011.
Fed wins 3 GS and Masters in 2007 but I'm not sure he plays better than in 2005 with "only" 2 GS




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I don't know, it looks like 2011 Djokovic has more points but imo I prefer always seasons with 3 GS + Masters (Fed: 2004-06-07) even though I think Djokovic is playing better in 2011 than 2015.

Like Nadal plays better in 2008, but made the little slam in 2010.

For me, Federer wins a slam in 2010 but plays better in 2011.
Fed wins 3 GS and Masters in 2007 but I'm not sure he plays better than in 2005 with "only" 2 GS




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Yes Fed 2005 vs Nadal 2008 is another one I saw was very close. Only 2 slams for each guy but can easily argue it was each player highest level

Nadal 2013 also cracked 13,000 points but not his 3 slam 2010. Laver of course won all 4 in 1969 but also lost 16!!! times that year
 

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Djokovic 2011 had objectively immensely stronger competition and also higher level of play.
 

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Lol Federer 2007 season was absolute garbage. He lost twice in a row to this Canas mug. That’s inexcusable
IW you can make the excuse of fatigue and blisters.

But the Miami match you gotta put respek on Canas name

 

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Depends what you consider "better" or value more, but Novak's 2011 was far more memorable - 43 wins in a row, losing only 2 matches in the first eight months, beating the #1 at every surface and taking over #1 at Wimbledon after trailing more than 6000 points at the beginning of the year and so on.
 

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Depends what you consider "better" or value more, but Novak's 2011 was far more memorable - 43 wins in a row, losing only 2 matches in the first eight months, beating the #1 at every surface and taking over #1 at Wimbledon after trailing more than 6000 points at the beginning of the year and so on.
His post USO season was poor for his standards, but by the end of USO in mid Sept. it was already an otherworldy season, playing every mandatory masters and slam + one ATP 500 and 250 during AO-USO period, and losing only RG SF and Cinci F after five consecutive masters titles (twenty top-10 wins overall), is just mind-blowing.

In 2015 he went a step further though, by making RG F and winning the last two masters + WTF (losing Can & Cinci finals and skipping Madrid), holding 3 slams + 6 masters + WTF "belts" by its end i.e. 10/14 in big titles compared to 8/14 in 2011 (Federer was 8/14 in 2006).
 

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Leave this kind of stuff to Yolita. You don't understand how to objectively compare who had a better season. Thanks. Also, Federer's competition was garbage and nothing compared to Novak's. Novak was also 12-2 against Big 3 + Murray that year.
 

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nole was superb in 2011 until the end of the year, when he injured his shoulder because he played too much. and that's why he had a little worse end of the year.

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Of course, he also won USO that year.
 

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I don't know, it looks like 2011 Djokovic has more points but imo I prefer always seasons with 3 GS + Masters (Fed: 2004-06-07) even though I think Djokovic is playing better in 2011 than 2015.

Like Nadal plays better in 2008, but made the little slam in 2010.
You finally said something correct and that I can agree with..that 2011>anything Federer ever did. However, you quickly said something wrong again. The 2010 Nadal wouldn't have gotten destroyed by Murray at the USO like the 2008 one did.
 

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I don't know but that or '05 Federer are his best versions for sure.

And 2011 was clearly Djoker's best year
 

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nole was superb in 2011 until the end of the year, when he injured his shoulder because he played too much. and that's why he had a little worse end of the year.

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Of course, he also won USO that year.
Why no FO?

But I like that cartoon like he is becomind bored of winning haha
 

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Had Fedal had 2011 like season, they too might b possessing the Golden Masters but it’s likely a once in a lifetime season accomplishment we won’t b seeing in the near future. So it’s now 2020 & for all those who say he’s simply ‘vulturing’ now almost a decade removed from that peak must admit he has surpassed Fed comparing their levels at the over 30 y.o. stage & whatever happens during this ‘pandemic era’ only slowed or denied (WB) his achievements.
 

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Taking away the narratives, the semantics, it's Federer 2007.

5 biggest events of the season in a non-Olympics year have always been the 4 Grand Slams and the WTF.

Federer made the final of all 4 GS, Djokovic did not.

Federer won the WTF, Djokovic crashed out in RR.

If you value media narratives, then yes it's Djokovic 2011. His dominance was something else during the first half of the year. But if you look at it holistically, then Federer had the better season.
 

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Taking away the narratives, the semantics, it's Federer 2007.

5 biggest events of the season in a non-Olympics year have always been the 4 Grand Slams and the WTF.

Federer made the final of all 4 GS, Djokovic did not.

Federer won the WTF, Djokovic crashed out in RR.

If you value media narratives, then yes it's Djokovic 2011. His dominance was something else during the first half of the year. But if you look at it holistically, then Federer had the better season.
I see you didn't include many things, like masters. I wonder why. Also, if one looks at things subjectively and in a limited way, like making a slam final in every slam (like that's really important), then maybe. However, there are many other ways we can prove Federer was way inferior...and one important way is by looking at the competition each player faced and beat. Hint: it isn't close.
 

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Federer 2007 season is truly underrated and the competition that year was great. Nadal was great in all surfaces and Djokovic had his breakthrough. Roddick/Davydenko were still high level and Nalbandian had an insane end of the year run.
 

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Federer 2007 season is truly underrated and the competition that year was great.
2007 is underestimated because comes after 2006 which is even more impressive.

For example, Federer experiences double failure on IW-Miami vs Canas (even though Canas is involved in doping ..) after the Sunshine 05-06 double, he loses vs Volandri in Rome or even his first RR match at Masters vs Gonzalez ( his only loss to Fernando .. 12-1)

Also, at Wimbledon his margin on Nadal is less clear than in 2006, but 2007 under these conditions can also be reassessed, because despite everything, he remakes 3GS + Masters in a row ... as a matter of course ..
 

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I see you didn't include many things, like masters. I wonder why. Also, if one looks at things subjectively and in a limited way, like making a slam final in every slam (like that's really important), then maybe. However, there are many other ways we can prove Federer was way inferior...and one important way is by looking at the competition each player faced and beat. Hint: it isn't close.
How is that limited? Are the 4 Slams not the biggest events of the year? You accused me of being limited in the way I perceive things but you also don't acknowledge the disappearing act Djokovic performed after the US Open was over. In case you forgot amidst all the trite you spew on a daily basis, the season lasts from January to November, not January to September.

Listen, I have no issue giving Djokovic credit. And I normally refrain from waging into these discussions because I know it's going to be dominated by tard philosophies and logic, as this thread has predictably shown. But one thing for sure is the argument for Djokovic's 2011 is based on media narrative (how ironic for the fanbase that repeatedly claims to be victimized by the media). Several posters are arguing based on winning streaks, based on what was 'memorable', etc. Masters events are important, and winning several of them is undoubtedly impressive, but they are certainly not the WTF or GS.

Again, I'll spell it out if I couldn't make myself any clearer:

Federer 2007:
AO - W
RG - F
W - W
USO - W
WTF - W

Djokovic 2011:
AO - W
RG - SF
W - W
USO - W
WTF - RR

Was Djokovic a scary, dominant force during the first half of the year? Yes. Did he have a better overall season compared to Federer? Imo, no. It's my opinion, deal with it. Anyways, the fact we're comparing Federer's 2007 and not even his 2006 to Djokovic's 2011... says it all.
 
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