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:devil: Here's the link as quite a few people has responded to the article http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/02/20/court_of_king_andy_cant_disgui.html


Court of King Andy can't disguise this charmless man

Wouldn't it be strange if Andy Murray was the first British player to win Wimbledon since Fred Perry and nobody gave a toss?

Simon HattenstoneFebruary 20, 2008 12:50 AM

Can Andy Murray and Jamie Murray really be related? Sure, the two Scotsmen have physical similarities, but look again - Jamie's smile, Andy's scowl; Jamie's rounded, pleasing face; Andy's dolichocephalic (eat your heart out, Will Self) Donald Duck features.

Then there's the way they play. Think of Jamie winning the Wimbledon mixed doubles last year with Jelena Jankovic. If we'd put a speech bubble against him during that final, it would have said:

"I get to do what I love for a living, get a suntan into the bargain, earn a decent whack, and get to hang out with some of the most gorgeous women in sport - Jesus, I'm a lucky bugger."

Compare this to the younger, more successful Andy. He plays with his face frozen into a grimace. He blames everybody for his failings (mother, coach, the Davis Cup) but himself. There's a six-second sequence on YouTube that sums Andy up. He loses a game and sarcastically gives his then coach, Brad Gilbert, a thumbs up while muttering "You twat" at him. He also famously screamed mid-match at Gilbert "You're giving me nothing".

Actually, the Lawn Tennis Association has given him everything, only for him to throw it back in their face. In July 2006, the LTA appointed Gilbert, a world-class coach who masterminded Andre Agassi's great triumphs, to work with Andy - for a gobsmacking £750,000 a year. Andy was then 19 and ranked 36th in the world. Within a month he had beaten Roger Federer, and within nine months he was in the world's top 10. But within 16 months he had ditched Gilbert, swapped him for a "team of experts", stating that the time "has come to move on to the next stage of my career".

A couple of years ago I met Andy's mother, Judy. She talked openly about the differences between her two boys. "Jamie is quieter, he's more sensitive than Andy, he's the good-looking one. He's the one who all my mum's friends fawn over. They love him. 'Oh, he's so polite, he's so nice.' They don't say that about Andy!"

It endeared Andy to me. After all, it was about time British tennis had a ruthless winner. Then I interviewed him and he turned out to be one of the most charmless sportsmen I've met - believe me, the competition is tough out there. Surrounded by a coterie of minders, he was terse, impatient and sour. The one time he softened was when he talked about how he would love to be like Agassi, but he thought he didn't have the personality.

Agassi was loved because he emanated warmth and cheek and passion. While the game has had its share of bad-tempered or po-faced champs, they have usually had something about them - Ilie Nastase and John McEnroe were rude but they had chutzpah and wit; Martina Navratilova and Bjorn Borg didn't smile much but they had soul. All Andy has at the moment is his petulance. Everything about him reeks of petulance - even his sideburns and bum-fluff tache.

Earlier this month, the Murrays had a public falling-out after Andy withdrew from the Davis Cup matches against Argentina at the last moment as a precautionary measure, wrecking the small chance that Britain had of winning the tie. Worst of all, he didn't tell his brother or the team manager. He sent a message via his agent.

Jamie made no attempt to disguise his fury. "It was a shock to me. It's a shame that he decided that it was best for him not to come here. It kind of affects the way we feel about him."

A week later the Murrays were playing again, and on Sunday they both won their tournaments. Jamie triumphed in the doubles in Florida with Max Mirnyi. Meanwhile, Andy took his second title of the year and the fifth of his career at Marseille. Any ATP win is a fine achievement but it's hardly a grand slam. He didn't beat Federer or Rafael Nadal in the final; he beat Mario Ancic, who is currently ranked No92 in the world.

I was delighted that Jamie won his tournament, but couldn't care less that Andy won his - just as he seemed not to care that he let down his fellow players in the Davis Cup team.

After his injuries, Andy is once again in the top 10 and perhaps he will go on to be a true champion. But wouldn't it be strange if, after all the years of Henmania and near misses, he turned out to be the first British player to win Wimbledon since Fred Perry in the mid-16th century and nobody gave a toss? Perhaps he'll learn one day that loyalty and affection have to be earned. Until then, we've always got Jamie to root for in the doubles.
 

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Well if that isn't a shallow article I don't know what is:lol:
 

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I don't care about Murray but it is really an illustration of how crappy UK newspapers are.

And BTW: Don't british realize that Jamie Murray reprents nothing in the tennis world. France has 3-4 better players a year!
 

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The mention of bumfluff in this article was the highlight.
 

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Jamie seemed indeed very friendly in Estoril last year.
 

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The idea that any British player winning Wimbledon would be greeted by "no-one giving a toss" is the most amusing thing in the article, the description of Agassi's "warmth and cheek" the most nauseating.
 

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I don't care about Murray but it is really an illustration of how crappy UK newspapers are.

And BTW: Don't british realize that Jamie Murray reprents nothing in the tennis world. France has 3-4 better players a year!
THe Guardian is awful - they even had the cheek to run a mssive advertising campaign saying they gave you the facts so you could make up your own mind - which is absolute bollocks because practically everything they write has a severe left wing bias.

I was really disapointed when James Haskell an England rugby player started a column there - now I have to go to the site. Their sports coverage is even worse than the Independents.
 

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expected article by the UK media :haha:
 
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THe Guardian is awful - they even had the cheek to run a mssive advertising campaign saying they gave you the facts so you could make up your own mind - which is absolute bollocks because practically everything they write has a severe left wing bias.

Just admit you're a Tory, go on :lol:
 

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The idea that any British player winning Wimbledon would be greeted by "no-one giving a toss" is the most amusing thing in the article, the description of Agassi's "warmth and cheek" the most nauseating.
Even though Agassi was my favourite player of all time even I have to admit he wasn't all squeaky clean.

Image is everything!
 

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Just admit you're a Tory, go on :lol:
No honestly i'm not. I only go to the Telegraph site for the sports pages as their rugby coverage is good. It's going to be a real problem come election time as I definately want Labour out but none of the other parties are any good. Screwed is what I am.

Also a few years ago I used to live in a prestigious private block of flats in Pimlico - a load of lords, MP's and even Princess Anne lived there for a while. The Guardian wrote an article which becuase I was there I knew to be very twisted. They showed a photo of what they said was a nearby council estate with a bin in front of it. Firstly it wasn't a council estate - the bin was from the posh houses across the street - how convinient :rolleyes: plus the estate was very nice with kids playground etc. And then they took the best possible photo of my block despite the fact that at the time in front of my entrance there was a massive hold for a new boiler and there was a loads of scafolding about. Totally twisted.

PS I don't read the Mail either. If I was to read a paper it would be the Times or if I was feeling guilty about my priveledged western existance I would read the independent.
 

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This is a great article. People like Murray deserve far more negative press than they get. No way genetics could fail so badly on Andy Murrays case unless something fishy went on, especially when you consider Jamie is one of the greatest guys on tour. Andy is obviously an inbred :haha:
 

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Funny to see a British guy dissing a single newspaper, where there isn't a single decent newspaper in the UK! :lol:

But they are nice to read in the Summer! :haha:
 

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during my biology A level my ginger teacher said ginger hair was created from inbreeding - that doens't mean ginger people are themselves inbred but thats how the colour started many many moons ago.
 

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during my biology A level my ginger teacher said ginger hair was created from inbreeding - that doens't mean ginger people are themselves inbred but thats how the colour started many many moons ago.
:haha: Ginger hair is often referred to as a disability too :tape:
 

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And to further back up the Original Article, here is a quote from Murray after losing to Haase
"Today I didn't play very well and was not so happy with my returns," the 20-year-old told reporters.
"The circumstances were so different today compared to last week. The court was very slow and also the balls.
"Therefore it became a different match with rallies of eight or nine shots, while last week they were four or five."
Nevertheless the world's number 10 did not seem too disappointed about his second defeat the year and he looked forward to the outdoor season.
"This is just one of those matches you can afford in tournaments like this. It will not affect your ranking like Master Series or Grand Slams" he added.
"Now I will have some days off before I start preparing for Dubai and the Indian Wells and Miami stretch."
"It still has been a good start of the year."
What is wrong with saying you can afford to lose a match like this:confused:
 

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That article is such bull:haha:

I actually met both brothers and while Jamie is indeed sweeter, Andy is a pretty nice guy as well. His profesional attitude could be better, though - he clearly tanked the match today, it was pathetic to watch. People pay to watch decent tennis, someone gotta remind the pros every once in a while...:cool:
 
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