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Greatest 'peak' Player

  • JesusFed

    Votes: 61 46.9%
  • Marat Safin

    Votes: 40 30.8%
  • Andre Agassi

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Pete Sampras

    Votes: 13 10.0%
  • John McEnroe

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Ivan Lendl

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • Bjorn Borg

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Rod Laver

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Jimmy Connors

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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This is my first thread on MTF so don't kill me.

There is an obvious difference between playing ability and actual acheivements. For instance Rios/Nalbandian never won a slam but Thomas Johansson did? :confused:

With reference to the WTA, Serena Williams has a low number of slam's compared to the greats but is cited by many commentators, such as McEnroe, as having an equal playing ability when peaked.

So this thread is for us to discusss who is the best player when 'in the zone' or at their 'peak performance'.

The options are (open era only):

- JesusFed
- Marat Safin
- Pete Sampras
- Andre Agassi
- John McEnroe
- Bjorn Borg
- Rod Laver
- Jimmy Connors
- Ivan Lendl

Please state otherwise if their is a glaring ommission.
 

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My only question is what the hell is Safin doing in that poll with all those players :lol:
 

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The others may have more titles, slams, spent more weeks at #1 but Marat has that quality that puts him above the rest. :p
 

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If we take 2005 aussie open as Marat peaked I think JesusFed of 2006 early 07 would defeat that Safin...
 

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This is my first thread on MTF so don't kill me.

There is an obvious difference between playing ability and actual acheivements. For instance Rios/Nalbandian never won a slam but Thomas Johansson did? :confused:

With reference to the WTA, Serena Williams has a low number of slam's compared to the greats but is cited by many commentators, such as McEnroe, as having an equal playing ability when peaked.

So this thread is for us to discusss who is the best player when 'in the zone' or at their 'peak performance'.

The options are (open era only):

- JesusFed
- Marat Safin
- Pete Sampras
- Andre Agassi
- John McEnroe
- Bjorn Borg
- Rod Laver
- Jimmy Connors
- Ivan Lendl

Please state otherwise if their is a glaring ommission.

one of several questions I have is how the hell you consider "in the zone" and "at your peak" the same thing.

In the zone is when you just on fire during a match, in which case the obvious answer to that is Fernando Gonzalez who isn't even an option.

At your peak is the time (like at what age) you were playing your best tennis. Current Federer is better than anyone else's best period of tennis.
 

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Exactly how do you determine the players in your poll?

I mean, Safin has 2 slams and all the others have at least 8 and are mostly considered tennis legends, why is he on this list? :rolls:
Or are you implying that safin "at his peak" is comparable to those other guys :spit:

You should change Safin and put Becker, Edberg or Wilander if you want the poll to make sense :lol:
 

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one of several questions I have is how the hell you consider "in the zone" and "at your peak" the same thing.

In the zone is when you just on fire during a match, in which case the obvious answer to that is Fernando Gonzalez who isn't even an option.

At your peak is the time (like at what age) you were playing your best tennis. Current Federer is better than anyone else's best period of tennis.
Sorry I mean in the zone then...a player's best performance.

Exactly how do you determine the players in your poll?

I mean, Safin has 2 slams and all the others have at least 8 and are mostly considered tennis legends, why is he on this list? :rolls:
Or are you implying that safin "at his peak" is comparable to those other guys :spit:

You should change Safin and put Becker, Edberg or Wilander if you want the poll to make sense :lol:
Yes I am implying that...have you ever seen Safin at his best? He's probably not capable of producing it anymore but it was atleast second best of this era...
 

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Sorry I mean in the zone then...a player's best performance.



Yes I am implying that...have you ever seen Safin at his best? He's probably not capable of producing it anymore but it was atleast second best of this era...

that does make some sense. Safin-Sampras at the U.S. Open was one of the more ridiculous things I've ever seen.
 

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Fed is winning comfortably so far however.
 

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Federer. The AO match against Roddick that was his peak and I can guarantee no one would have beaten him on that day.
 

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Is this even any debate? Federer all the way.
 

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In the zone is when you just on fire during a match, in which case the obvious answer to that is Fernando Gonzalez who isn't even an option.
The only answer to that would be someone who has great strokes on both wings, a good serve and good volleys because those are the things which would become good when 'in the zone'. Gonzalez doesn't have such a good backhand, Federer or Safin would both outplay Gonzalez at their respective peaks as they have all of the things I mentioned.
 

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The only answer to that would be someone who has great strokes on both wings, a good serve and good volleys because those are the things which would become good when 'in the zone'. Gonzalez doesn't have such a good backhand, Federer or Safin would both outplay Gonzalez at their respective peaks as they have all of the things I mentioned.

Federer would

Safin would get destroyed
 

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No way would peak safin be destroyed by peak Gonzalez...seriously.
 

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Federer would

Safin would get destroyed


and that criteria is incorrect too. Gonzo's forehand when in the zone (which is what is being discussed here) would overcome an all-court game of most everyone (not Federer of course).

And when in the zone, Gonzo's backhand is more than serviceable. Put in the tape of any of his matches at the Aussie, or watch this.

Keep in mind we're talking in the zone, not in general. When in the zone, Nando beats anyone other than Federer, mark it down.
 

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No way would peak safin be destroyed by peak Gonzalez...seriously.

i'm talking about in the zone, not peak (differences mentioned above)
 
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