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was just thinking if anyone in my lifetime has ever performed like agassi at over 30 years of age, and couldn't think of a single player. that then made me think....

best aged under 20 years: becker
20 to 30 years: sampras
30 plus years: agassi

thoughts anyone? for me the biggest question is the best under 20. and for me it was becker or nadal....and i went for boris. he deserves an accolade when you consider the hairstyle he had back in those days! :eek:
 

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About the same, but replace Becker with Borg for the under-20 category.
 

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If Rafa wins the US Open he deserves the under 20 category. Other than that, can't complain with your chosen ones.

Although Rusedski is making a late surge for the over 30's title :p
 

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Well, it's just a question of numbers: they both won 2 Slams in their teens, Borg at RG and Becker at Wimbledon, but Borg won 16 titles as a teenager (the most to date) compared to Becker's 12 and won them on all surfaces, something that Becker never managed in his entire career. Neither was no. 1 until some years later.
 

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adee-gee said:
If Rafa wins the US Open he deserves the under 20 category. Other than that, can't complain with your chosen ones.
He needs another 5 titles after that before June next year to get the under 20 award. :p
 

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Sjengster said:
Well, it's just a question of numbers: they both won 2 Slams in their teens, Borg at RG and Becker at Wimbledon, but Borg won 16 titles as a teenager (the most to date) compared to Becker's 12 and won them on all surfaces, something that Becker never managed in his entire career. Neither was no. 1 until some years later.
like i said.... :worship:
 

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Two French, but as I said above, he had also won titles on all surfaces. Interestingly enough, the first title he won after turning 20 was his first Wimbledon.
 

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federer express said:
like i said.... :worship:
Like I say: go and take a look at my title thread in the Statistics forum, those hours of slogging are for occasions like this. ;)
 

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Sjengster said:
Two French, but as I said above, he had also won titles on all surfaces. Interestingly enough, the first title he won after turning 20 was his first Wimbledon.
Surely if Rafa wins the US he'd have a legitamite claim, even if he hadn't won as many titles. Maybe he'll win the Aussie as well to put it beyond all doubt ;)
 

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Yes, it'd be touch and go. I think he stands a good chance of reaching 16 titles by his 20th birthday, even if he doesn't win another Slam until next year's RG (which would be the day after, I think). One thing's for sure, both will be remembered as incredibly dominant claycourt players, although Nadal has a long way to go to match Borg's achievements in Paris.
 

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adee-gee said:
Surely if Rafa wins the US he'd have a legitamite claim, even if he hadn't won as many titles. Maybe he'll win the Aussie as well to put it beyond all doubt ;)
now that my brain is out of reverse and back in neutral where it spends most days, you cannot dispute borg. not only do the numbers support him but the achievement of winning both the french and wimbledon (which sampras, mcenroe, lendl, becker, edberg and others never managed) by such a young age makes him a clear winner.
 

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Yes, but he wasn't a teenager when he won Wimbledon.
 

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Sjengster said:
Yes, but he wasn't a teenager when he won Wimbledon.
true...he just missed out on that. at the other end of the scale though, maybe i was premature in declaring agassi the winner. did i overlook tati rascon??
 

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Not to mention the sanguine one.
 

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I think Goran deserves a mention in the 30+ just for his remarkable win at Wimby when he looked like the worst player in the world the week before at Queens when he lost to the karate kid :)
 

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Sjengster said:
Not to mention the sanguine one.
my brain has slipped back into reverse again. that a reference to rascon looking like a blood-thirsty pirate/dracula? or a reference to my much publicised admiration for davide's game?
 

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adee-gee said:
I think Goran deserves a mention in the 30+ just for his remarkable win at Wimby when he looked like the worst player in the world the week before at Queens when he lost to the karate kid :)
possibly the most surprising achievement by an over 30 in the mens game...
 

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federer express said:
best aged under 20 years: becker
What about Wilander? Born in 1964:
SINGLES CAREER TITLES (33): 1982--Barcelona, Bastad, Geneva, Roland Garros; 1983--Aix-En-Provence, Australian Open, Barcelona, Bastad, Cincinnati, Geneva, Lisbon, Monte Carlo, Stockholm; 1984--Australian Open, Barcelona, Cincinnati; 1985--Bastad, Boston, Roland Garros; 1986--Brussels, Cincinnati; 1987--Boston, Brussels, Indianapolis, Monte Carlo, Rome; 1988--Australian Open, Cincinnati, Key Biscayne, Palermo, Roland Garros, US Open; 1990--Itaparica FINALIST (26): 1981--Bangkok; 1982--Basel, Brussels, Stockholm; 1983--Guaruja, Roland Garros; 1984--Milan, Monte Carlo, Stockholm; 1985--Australian Open, Barcelona, Brussels, Cincinnati, Geneva, Monte Carlo, Tokyo Indoor; 1986--Bastad, Boca West, Stockholm; 1987--Barcelona, Masters, Roland Garros, US Open; 1989--Boston; 1990--Lyon; 1996--Pinehurst

DOUBLES CAREER TITLES (7): 1994--Prague, Santiago; 1986--Wimbledon; 1985--Rome, Philadelphia; 1984--Geneva; 1983--Bastad FINALIST (11): 1987--Boston, Indianapolis; 1986--Monte Carlo, US Open; 1985--Cincinnati, Masters; 1984--Monte Carlo, Australian Open; 1983--Geneva, Brussels; 1982--Bastad

In my opinion, we should at least mention him... :hatoff:
 
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