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Djokovic is way down pecking order. How many Majors would Nadal and Federer have if they had two on their best surface?
Did they changed GS surfaces recently? They are just not that good on main tennis surface where the competition is the highest. When they started playing tennis it was the same surface distribution of slams as it is now. USO changed to HC in 1978 and AO in 1988. Champions learn how to be the best on most represented surface in sport. Why they where not able to be the better on HC knowing this? Did someone prevented them to practice on HC from their childhood? Why do you think some players specialise in doubles and not singles? You really think that level of competition for last two decades is the same on clay and grass as it is on HC? Its actually the opposite of what you wrote.
 

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That guy would have been one of the GOATs of football if not for his injuries, but I might be biased as Bayern fan. Already in his semi-invalid state one of the best players of our club history and in his prime only behind Messi/Ronaldo and Ribery.
Robben just does't have the brains to be GOAT. He was/is a one of a kind raw talent.
 

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Nd was very good but Meddy was kind of not there. Mistakes after mistakes and low confidence and body language from 2nd and forward was very self critical. He smashed a racket as nole use to do but he didnt get better after that....hmm
ok with that said con grat to nd fans.
 

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Yep, he isnt as talented as Federer, Djok relies on his relentless yet boring baseline grinding
50 out of his 87 points were 0-4 shot rallies + 19 were 5-8 shot rallies.

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vs Karatsev it was 54 + 22 + 12 out of 88 winning points.

vs Zverev it was 95 + 29 + 25 out of 149 winning points.

vs Raonic it was 79 + 31 + 20 out of 130 winning points.

vs Fritz it was 94 + 41 + 22 out of 157 winning points.

 

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Djokovic is sore winner the only reason he won is because he faked Injures. in 3 matches putting Zverev Raonic Medvedev from playing their best 🎾. In matter of time before he gets owned by Nadal again 6-0 6-2 7-5 with RG being the next slam.
 

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I still hope he can play for a few matches once crowds can get in again. Even if it’s for a few minutes only. The term legend is used quite inflationary, but it fits to that guy.

Feyenoord fan? Damn, not the best times at the moment. @Joe Speedboot would like to have a word with you I guess
Yeah I hope so too because he's deserving of a real farewell and to me he's a legend - might be biased as a Dutchman, but still.

I'm kinda used to it, been a fan since I was 6 years old while my brother is an Ajax fan. Had waited for almost 20 years to be champions again in 2016/2017. I still have fond memories of the 2002 Uefa cup finals win against Dortmund, the last Dutch side to win a european cup so theres that.
Always good to meet a fellow sufferer. 92/93 99/00 02 16/17 are the cherries that help a bit against disappointment year in year out. Or the memories of kiprich, the magician of tatabanya. But I fear the domination of Ajax will be hard on us feyenoord fans the coming years.
 

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That guy would have been one of the GOATs of football if not for his injuries, but I might be biased as Bayern fan. Already in his semi-invalid state one of the best players of our club history and in his prime only behind Messi/Ronaldo and Ribery.
That's what I've been saying since his days with PSV and I'm a Feyenoord Rotterdam fan, such a shame he was so injury prone. Even his little come-back with FC Groningen didn't pan out because of injuries.
Robben is an all time Big Choker on the biggest stages in football. He cost the Netherlands the World Cup in 2010 and Bayern the Champions League in 2012 on home soil. If that is not choking in football, I don't know what is.


 

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This is a very biased point of view. Murray had Djokovic on the ropes towards the end of play on Friday, and he was in full swing. No wonder Djokovic wanted the match to be stopped for the day and come back the next day to finish it. It was clear that Murray's best chance to beat Djokovic was to finish the match on Friday.

It never happened, though – and Djokovic duly and quickly dispatched Murray on Saturday afternoon. That one and a half sets played on Saturday was pretty much a training session for Djokovic.

So you can't have your cake and eat it too. We either establish that Djokovic probably is the fittest athlete in the history of tennis with unbelievable stamina (as many Djokovic fans claim and as his overall tally of big match wins followed by gruelling battles suggests), or we go with the narrative that playing one and a half sets on a Saturday afternoon is enough to kill the legs off a 28-year-old all-time great who, by the way, also holds the record for the most Masters titles – a tournament series where players have to play every day during the competition.
Murray didnt had him on the ropes. "I don't think I was lucky," Djokovic said. "I think I was playing some great tennis yesterday. He found his game late in the third. I had many opportunities to finish the match in straight sets, but credit to Andy.

Stopped reading your post at that point, bcs false postulate equals false conclusion
 

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Nadal chimed that he couldn’t predict Djoker with this victory. Nadal faked a serious injury and still lost.
 

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Always good to meet a fellow sufferer. 92/93 99/00 02 16/17 are the cherries that help a bit against disappointment year in year out. Or the memories of kiprich, the magician of tatabanya. But I fear the domination of Ajax will be hard on us feyenoord fans the coming years.
Yes Kiprich was such a character, but I kinda always liked those cult-players like Smolarek sr. van Gobbel, Obiku, De Goey, de Wolf and for a very long time now my favourite is Toornstra and he's a bit of a cult player too when that one season he couldn't sxore a goal in de Kuip haha. We can't compete moneywise with Ajax, because they cashed in on those huge transfers after they were the CL sensation a couple of seasons ago that made me jelly. And the pandemic is hitting our club hard when on average we had about 1 million in revenue every home game, now we need to sell our biggest players like Senessi and or Sinisterra the rumours were going to close those budgetting gaps. Not an easy task for the new trainer with no budget next season, I hope it goes better then with Jaap Stam who came and was gone in no time.
 

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Robben is an all time Big Choker on the biggest stages in football. He cost the Netherlands the World Cup in 2010 and Bayern the Champions League in 2012 on home soil. If that is not choking in football, I don't know what is.


As I said he played with an huge muscle tear in that WC final and without him we prabably didn't even get to the finals, that's how big of an impact he had. He also made the winning goal in the CL final a couple of seasons later, didn't he?
 

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Impressive performance from Djokovic, deserves the victory. The first set decided it really, after Novak stole it he was able to relax and felt completely comfortable out there.

Feel a bit for Medvedev though, he's been so strong lately, but needed to bring his absolute best here and couldn't quite do it. Didn't serve as well as he could have after the first set, made too many UEs in rallies where he should've made Novak dig deeper. Oh well, he will have many more chances in his career.

Novak now finally making project 18 a reality, better late than never. Still in the running for goatship, interesting to see how 2021 will turn out for him.
 
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Murray didnt had him on the ropes. "I don't think I was lucky," Djokovic said. "I think I was playing some great tennis yesterday. He found his game late in the third. I had many opportunities to finish the match in straight sets, but credit to Andy.

Stopped reading your post at that point, bcs false postulate equals false conclusion
You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

But there is pretty much a consensus about Murray having the upper hand and had a great chance of beating Djokovic, who was then saved by the interruption. Only fans of Djokovic would disagree (which is quite telling).

Though I must admit, I found it amusing that you quoted what Djokovic had said, implying it was realistic that he or any other player in his shoes would say that yes, I needed that interruption or I would have been in big trouble.
 
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Robben is an all time Big Choker on the biggest stages in football. He cost the Netherlands the World Cup in 2010 and Bayern the Champions League in 2012 on home soil. If that is not choking in football, I don't know what is.


To be fair, Messi did much the same thing in the World Cup final 2014 against Germany.
 

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Did they changed GS surfaces recently? They are just not that good on main tennis surface where the competition is the highest. When they started playing tennis it was the same surface distribution of slams as it is now. USO changed to HC in 1978 and AO in 1988. Champions learn how to be the best on most represented surface in sport. Why they where not able to be the better on HC knowing this? Did someone prevented them to practice on HC from their childhood? Why do you think some players specialise in doubles and not singles? You really think that level of competition for last two decades is the same on clay and grass as it is on HC? Its actually the opposite of what you wrote.
You lost the point there bud. Nadal and Federer grew up in countries that do not train on hard courts!! You destroyed your own post.
 

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First, Djoker benefited from slow hardcourts then he won French Open, and benefited from fast hardcourts.
Meanwhile, Fedal didn’t play each other at the US Open and Nadal choked at the Aus Open. Poor Fedal fans.
 
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