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I think so.

Wawrinka, at his peak, is a better offensive player than Djokovic, Nadal, Federer and Murray at their peaks.

Agree or disagree, brahs?
 

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Better than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray offensively for sure.

Not even close to Federer though.
 

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Yeah, brah, Federer comes really close. He's more of an accomplished player on all surfaces, although not on clay.
 

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In terms of offensive shots yes...from both wings.

But there are other tactics to beat him. By deflecting his shots and being aggressive yourself.

He is not going to be consistent after a set if u are able to deflect his shots using his own pace. Easier said than done as u need GOAT hands to do it.
 

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Better than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray offensively for sure.

Not even close to Federer though.
Well, i would not say "not even close". Truthfully, Wawrinka at his peak is already better than since2010Federer. Yes, Federer at his peak is the best attacking player ever. Wawrinka has great forehand and backhand and especially that backhand is much more powerful than Federer's one but Federer is finding ways to win points in 1248238213 ways. Not just with boom shots. That's what makes him a legend.
 

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Better than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray offensively for sure.

Not even close to Federer though.
Federer is obviously the vastly superior player, but Wawrinka has a deadly weapon of both wings when on, Federer's backhand was always more of a rally shot, (although it had its days like versus Blake in TMC 2006).
 

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I don't think he is mainly because he has to paint the lines or hit hard most of the time to be effective. The top 4 players have controlled aggression and don't need to hit the ball as hard for winners, which also makes them more consistent and allows them to maintain energy.
 

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I don't think he is mainly because he has to paint the lines or hit hard most of the time to be effective. The top 4 players have controlled aggression and don't need to hit the ball as hard for winners, which also makes them more consistent and allows them to maintain energy.
False argument. He defeated Murray and federer in 3 and only needed 4 against djokovic due to a silly service game in the first set. When he's playing well the match end way too quickly for the opponent to mount a counter attack. He's not prone to errors either. He never had a good forehand but worked on it between AO2015 and RG2015 and now it's a lean efficient shot not prone to mistakes
 

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Djokovic and Nadal have better defence than they have offence. Offensively, they have been and can be great, but their offence doesn't really define them.
 

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No. Not Federer at least.

In terms of overall peak game he's inferior to all of them except murray
 

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Federer is obviously the vastly superior player, but Wawrinka has a deadly weapon of both wings when on, Federer's backhand was always more of a rally shot, (although it had its days like versus Blake in TMC 2006).
Wawrinka relies too much on having time to unleash his massive shots. Federer takes the ball much earlier and has a lot more options at his disposal aside from blasting the ball hard, he can attack/hurt you in so many different ways. Even from a purely blasting winners from the baseline point of view though, Federer is still at least as good peak vs peak.

At his peak, Federer has imo the best/most complete offensive game of all-time. In a direct comparison with Wawrinka, the latter has more power - but this is more than offset by Federer's ability to take the ball early - and a better drive BH, but that's basically it, Federer has the best serve, FH, (offensive) movement, net game, and of course 1000x more variety (even off the BH).

He has a better peak offensive game than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray though, definitely. But not Federer, not even close.
 

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Wawrinka relies too much on having time to unleash his massive shots. Federer takes the ball much earlier and has a lot more options at his disposal aside from blasting the ball hard, he can attack/hurt you in so many different ways. Even from a purely blasting winners from the baseline point of view though, Federer is still at least as good peak vs peak.

At his peak, Federer has imo the best/most complete offensive game of all-time. In a direct comparison with Wawrinka, the latter has more power - but this is more than offset by Federer's ability to take the ball early - and a better drive BH, but that's basically it, Federer has the best serve, FH, (offensive) movement, net game, and of course 1000x more variety (even off the BH).

He has a better peak offensive game than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray though, definitely. But not Federer, not even close.
Wawrinka doesn't need time to unleash his shots who came up with that nonsense. He made the quarters at Wimbledon and semis at the us open. He is happy to adjust his footwork and racket handle to deal with the ball coming at him.
Man I just want him to win Wimbledon so we can finally dispell this nonsense.

Also federer is only as good as you allow him to be. So is wawrinka. Against an offensive player like wawrinka you're not gonna have time to get in a comfort zone. It's impossible to hit precisely if you have no control over the shots coming your way when wawrinka hits hard and deep you will send the ball short even when redirecting it as we saw with djokovic and wawrinka will pounce. Also wawrinka likes powerful shots so he can use his new FH or great backhand for the angle.
His other weapon is the backhand down the line that always catches opponents off guard. It's difficult to predict and defend against.
He would beat federer playing well any version of the bloke
 

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Well, i would not say "not even close". Truthfully, Wawrinka at his peak is already better than since2010Federer. Yes, Federer at his peak is the best attacking player ever. Wawrinka has great forehand and backhand and especially that backhand is much more powerful than Federer's one but Federer is finding ways to win points in 1248238213 ways. Not just with boom shots. That's what makes him a legend.
Even post-2010, Federer still occasionally produces offensive tennis Wawrinka couldn't even dream of, the most recent example being the Shanghai SF with Djokovic last year.

Another aspect is that Wawrinka is more particular about which balls he can be (successfully) offensive off due to his very one-dimensional game, for instance has trouble controlling his power shots against effective slices; Federer on the other hand can make something off pretty much any sort of ball due to his superior variety.
 

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Even post-2010, Federer still occasionally produces offensive tennis Wawrinka couldn't even dream of, the most recent example being the Shanghai SF with Djokovic last year.

Another aspect is that Wawrinka is more particular about which balls he can be (successfully) offensive off due to his very one-dimensional game, for instance has trouble controlling his power shots against effective slices; Federer on the other hand can make something off pretty much any sort of ball due to his superior variety.
Another nonsense. To break djokic wawrinka decided not to rally and go for his shot on any ball he got and hit winners after winners. Clearly you don't watch much tennis from wawrinka
 

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Another nonsense. To break djokic wawrinka decided not to rally and go for his shot on any ball he got and hit winners after winners. Clearly you don't watch much tennis from wawrinka
Well you only watch him when he wins so... :spit:
 

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False argument. He defeated Murray and federer in 3 and only needed 4 against djokovic due to a silly service game in the first set. When he's playing well the match end way too quickly for the opponent to mount a counter attack. He's not prone to errors either. He never had a good forehand but worked on it between AO2015 and RG2015 and now it's a lean efficient shot not prone to mistakes
When Stan is playing well he can still lose as shown at AO 2013, USO 2013 when he played at much higher level than AO 2015.

Against Wawrinka:

Novak 19-4
Nadal 12-2
Federer 16-3
Murray 8-6

In all his matches where he won against top 4 in slams, he always has more UEs except for AO 2014 where he tied Novak with 60 UEs.
For example in Novak's 2013 AO win, Wawrinka had 93 UEs to Novak's 66. You only have such a lopsided UE count when you're going for winners most of the time. Wawrinka plays high risk high reward tennis against the top players because that's the only way he's proved he can beat them.
Trying to construct points against Novak who at some point managed to beat him 14 times in a row probably isn't the best idea so he hit hard, took his chances and won: it doesn't mean that he's a better offensive player.
 

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When Stan is playing well he can still lose as shown at AO 2013, USO 2013 when he played at much higher level than AO 2015.

Against Wawrinka:

Novak 19-4
Nadal 12-2
Federer 16-3
Murray 8-6

In all his matches where he won against top 4 in slams, he always has more UEs except for AO 2014 where he tied Novak with 60 UEs.
For example in Novak's 2013 AO win, Wawrinka had 93 UEs to Novak's 66. You only have such a lopsided UE count when you're going for winners most of the time. Wawrinka plays high risk high reward tennis against the top players because that's the only way he's proved he can beat them.
Trying to construct points against Novak who at some point managed to beat him 14 times in a row probably isn't the best idea so he hit hard, took his chances and won: it doesn't mean that he's a better offensive player.
 
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