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This dude is the most backward person in the world!!
Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuela's president

Pat Robertson, host of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club and founder of the Christian Coalition of America, called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

From the August 22 broadcast of The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.
seriously what do you guys think? It disgusts me than this guy attempts to do all this in 'Jesus' name' when Jesus was peace-loving and said 'Turn the other cheek.' etc.

They should be following Christ - the Prince of PEACE - but they choose to follow Robertson instead. Robertson knows this and doesn't care as long as the money continues to roll in.

Doesn't the FCC regulate this sort of thing. I mean we can't see Janet Jackson's tit, but a major religious leader in the USA is advocating the violent over throw of a democratically elected leader isn't even noticed. This is beyond illegal.

Robertson's license to broadcast should be revoke and his ass put in jail for advocating violence. This is beyond ridiculous.
 

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Re: And he calls himself a Christian??!!

more info on this fools beliefs.
Here are a few of Pat Robertson’s observations on people whose faith is different from his own. On Hindus: "What is Hinduism but devil worship, ultimately?" On Muslims: "To see Americans become followers of Islam is nothing short of insanity. Why would people in America want to embrace the religion of the slaves?" Last summer Robertson opined that the Catholic understanding of Holy Communion was like telling us "to be like cannibals."

Now if you are not yet offended, brother Robertson has little regard even for mainstream Protestants: "You say, ‘You’re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense! I don’t have to be nice to the spirit of the anti-Christ."
 

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seriously what do you guys think? It disgusts me than this guy attempts to do all this in 'Jesus' name' when Jesus was peace-loving and said 'Turn the other cheek.' etc.
They should be following Christ - the Prince of PEACE - but they choose to follow Robertson instead. Robertson knows this and doesn't care as long as the money continues to roll in.posted by Nimomunz
well, in this time in the world, Religion in lots of cases is just a word, or a curtain, behind which..some ppl. hide and they only try to use it to achieve their cheap goals..which are totally far from any religious ethics.this is the disaster of the era, and it goes for every religion(whether it was Christianity, Islam , Or Judaism),.
but the worst thing above all,is that unfortunately , these ppl.whatever are their intentions, they find listeners , obedient ones,who just ignorantly refuse to open their minds, and listen to the voice of reason..or ppl. who are totally decieved by those -honey -coated- words and unfortunately they didn't have the chance to find the right ppl. to talk with and to show them the way of the truth..ppl. like Robertson is not as equally dangerous as those listeners who one day 'll take the lead and do what is far most dangerous than just listening or saying this Crap.
 
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well, Kennedy had Ngo Do Dhiem killed through CIA agents who helped the opponents of this Southern Vietnamese leader. It is interesting to note that Ngo was killed a few days before Kennedy. So Robertson is no different than Kennedy.
I don't condone what Robertson said but I can understand him. Chavez is actively supporting FARC and other leftist groups. One of the FARC leaders was captured in Venezuela and this strained relationship between Colombia & Venezuela. Chavez is exporting instability. lets not forget that FARC are murderous thugs. I'm sure Ingrid Betancourt will agree with this.
 

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ohhh really when was Robertson a president of US of A?[/QUOTE
No but they are both jerks. They both condone assasinations. Compris?
 

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many presidents order assasinations of other threats to the world, im not sure how many religious leaders do.
I guess that you have never heard of Aytollah Khomenei's fatwa against Salman Rushdie and fatwas pronounced by othe Muslim religious leaders. Are you backing Kennedy because he was a democrat and a pretty boy? If that's the case than damn it then. I should have mentioned Johnson who had thuggish looks, silly me.
 

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assasinations happen all the time from democrats to republicans. dont Jim Jones turn this thread into right vs left!!!!! :mad: robertson is advocating murder because its cheaper than starting a war and the oil will still flow!!?? that is wrong and worse still because he wears the label of a christian!!

better yet now the US cant do it because the whole world will know its us!! :lol:
 

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Anyone who advocates murdering a political opponent I condemn. I also called roberston a jerk and don't support what he did. But i have no sympathy for Chavez. I also don't subscribe to a Christian being a pacifist. I'm a Christian as you know but I'm certainly no pacifist. we need to fight fire with fire and not turn the other cheeck when hit as the bible unfortunately says so. Robertson is no different than Kennedy. I mention him but I have noproblem with his successor who helped have Che Gueverra executed. This guy was a terrorist and was no political leader so this is ok and Johnson was a democrat so you see I also support democrats :D
 

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lets tick to robertson and not go off on a tangent of politics.
Pat Robertson


Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson is an influential right-wing political and cultural figure. Robertson founded the Christian Broadcasting Network, on which he hosts the weekday broadcasts of The 700 Club. According to his official biography, Robertson is also the "founder of International Family Entertainment Inc., Regent University, Operation Blessing International Relief and Development Corporation, American Center for Law and Justice, The Flying Hospital, Inc. and several other organizations and broadcast entities." After his failed 1988 campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, Robertson founded the Christian Coalition of America, a vast conservative Christian political organization that aims to "give Christians a voice in their government again."

Robertson has a lengthy history of controversial remarks. He recently called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in a conversation with fellow evangelical preacher Jerry Falwell on The 700 Club, Robertson agreed that feminists and gays were to blame for the attacks (Falwell apologized quickly). In 2002, Robertson angered many when he said that Islam is not a peaceful religion (he has since made other similar statements about Islam).

After the 2004 election, Robertson proclaimed that "George Bush has the favor of heaven." Robertson recently reaffirmed his belief that judges appointed by Democrats are a greater threat to the United States than Al Qaeda, Nazi Germany, or the Civil War. He is noted for his particularly hateful rhetoric toward gays and lesbians.

Quotes from Pat Robertson

"I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he [Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it." [8/22/05]

"Islam, at least at its core, teaches violence. It's there in the Quran in clear, bold statements." [7/14/05]

God "will remove judges from the Supreme Court quickly." [1/3/05]

Gays and lesbians are "self-absorbed hedonists ... that want to impose their particular sexuality on the rest of America." [11/30/04]

Gays and lesbians are "self-absorbed narcissists who are willing to destroy any institution so long as they can have affirmation of their lifestyle." [8/16/05]

"Kwanzaa is an absolute fraud." [12/6/04]

Media Matters for America coverage of Robertson


Robertson affirmed his belief that Democratic judges are a greater threat to the U.S. than Al Qaeda, Nazi Germany or Civil War [5/2/05]

Pat Robertson's contradictory theology: God won't stop a tsunami -- but might respond to Gay Days with an earthquake [5/2/05]

Robertson wrongly attributed declining number of teen girls having sex to "welfare reform" [12/17/04]

Robertson continued conservatives' distortion of facts in Schiavo case [4/1/05]

Robertson "absolutely appalled" by comments Boxer never made [8/16/05]

Robertson continued to put words in Boxer's mouth -- and now Leahy's, too [8/19/05]

Robertson used misleading crisis rhetoric and rosy predictions to tout Bush Social Security plan [1/6/05]
Chavez was overwhelmingly elected, survived a coup, then survived a recall , and they keep talking about what a threat he is to democracy!
And Gas there is only $0.12 a gallon! What an evil prick.
 

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I thought this was not a right vs. left talk? ;)
 

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by the way about your theory on christianity not neing pacifist:
THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS

Jesus appeared to teach pacifism when he told his disciples: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God . . . . Do not resist the evil man but whoever slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other also. And if anyone wants to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well. Love your enemies. Give to everyone who asks you; when a man takes what is yours, do not demand it back" (Luke 6:30 and Matt. 5:9-44). These are hard sayings of Jesus and we might respond, as some of his listeners have done elsewhere, "Who can follow them?"

Jesus declared that the life of the Christian will be different from the life of the Old Testament Jew. One of the areas of change is in the Christian's relations with other people. Love is now to be the overriding concern. He said, "You have learned that our forefathers were told, 'Do not commit murder; anyone who commits murder must be brought to judgement.' But what I tell you is this: Anyone who nurses anger against his brother must be brought to judgment. If he abuses his brother he must answer for it to the court; if he sneers at him he will have to answer for it in the fires of hell" (Matt. 5:21-24). Jesus does not even allow a Christian to be angry with someone! What then will he do with those who kill?

Jesus taught, "You have learned that they were told, 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' But what I tell you is this: Do not set yourself against the man who wrongs you" (Matt. 5:38-39). What a strong statement! Only the Son of God could call for such faith in God's control of the situation. Is he telling us that the Christian life is to be lived in the Kingdom of God and not in this world?

The apostle Paul said on the subject of peace, "Let us pursue the things that make for peace and build up the common life" (Rom. 14:19). And "The Kingdom of God is justice, peace and joy, inspired by the Holy Spirit" (Rom. 14:17). The disciple James wrote,

The wisdom from above is in the first place pure; and then peace-loving, considerate, and open to reason; it is straightforward and sincere, rich in mercy and in the kindly deeds that are its fruit. True justice is the harvest reaped by peace-makers from seed sown in a spirit of peace. What causes conflicts and quarrels among you? Do they not spring from the aggressiveness of your bodily desires? You want something which you can not have, and so you are bent on murder; you are envious, and cannot attain your ambition, and so you quarrel and fight (James 3:17-4:2).
What could be more clear? How can it be made more understandable? The Bible is plainly telling us that peace and love (pacifism) comes from God while violence and greed (the antithesis of pacifism) spring from the evil in one's heart. Can we accept this? If we have greed in our heart, don't we want to push down and hide this truth?
God would have us be at peace with all men but not all men want to be at peace with us. When we get into a situation that requires us to respond either with violence or with non-violence, does God just sit back and watch our reactions to see if we do right or is God actively involved in what is occurring? This is perhaps the heart of the matter for many people. Are we on our own or is God watching over us as a father watches over his children? To what degree does God control the affairs of human persons? If we are on our own then we need to be in control of our lives but if God is in charge we would allow God to control our actions.

The Bible has much to say about God's hand on the affairs of the world. Paul's speech in Athens makes it plain:

Since the God who made the world and everything in it is himself Lord of heaven and earth, he does not make his home in shrines made by human hands. Nor is he dependent on anything that human hands can do for him, since he can never be in need of anything; on the contrary, it is he who gives everything -- including life and breath -- to everyone. From one single stock he not only created the whole human race so that they could occupy the entire earth, but he decreed how long each nation should flourish and what the boundaries of its territory should be. And he did this so that all nations might seek the Lord and, by feeling their way towards him, succeed in finding him. Yet in fact he is not far from any of us, since it is in him that we live, and move, and exist (Acts 17:24-28).
Psalm 121 tells us that the Lord is always watching over us, day and night, to guard us. Jesus tells us that not even the sparrows are forgotten by God. "More than that, even the hairs of your head have all been counted" (Luke 12:6-7). There is much in the Bible to show us that God works all things for our good, that we need have no fear
 

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this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.
i guess that you have never heard of Aytollah Khomenei's fatwa against Salman Rushdie posted by jimjones
i am reeeaally amazed that u've even found any similarity for the motives in these two cases..can't even believe that u 're convinced with what u're saying..
 
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I am imaging the reaction in US with the following scenario:

A very popular Muslim leader in 'put any country name here' calling on the government to assasinate George W. Bush to save a big chunk of money on war vs US. Save all the innocent soldiers in the country from dying. Save all innocent people in the country from dying.

Yes, Americans will definitely be very outraged.
 

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dont be too sure about that!! 62% of Americans dont approve of Bush...............



but then of course noone wants their President to be assasinated!!!
 

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dont be too sure about that!! 62% of Americans dont approve of Bush...............



but then of course noone wants their President to be assasinated!!!
Even I don't approve of Bush, I won't be too happy to have someone call for assasination of him.
 
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