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Traditionnally, people use to say that a star player in a country is a good help to promote tennis in the younger ones.


Most known exemple is Sweden when post Borg era was full of Top Ten Swedish players.



Nevertheless, the two greatest players in Tennis Era Nadal and Federer have not really generated a wave of successfull players like Sweden.



Switzerland is not a big country (but not smaller than Sweden) and it is understandable that it is difficult to find heirs to Federer and Wawrinka.


Laaksonen is improving this year but is globally a Challenger player.



Spain is a quite big country and the most successfull those last 10 years with many top 30 players.


But all the overhyped prospect of those latest years : Carreno Carballes Munar Davidovich and Kuhn are desesparately lacking of results on upper level, even on Clay.


Is there too many expectations that prevent players to play free, and is tightness the problem that kills results and lead to injuries ?

Or is it just a matter of (bad) luck, better tennis instructed elsewhere,...….. ?????????
 

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Is there too many expectations that prevent players to play free, and is tightness the problem that kills results and lead to injuries ?

Or is it just a matter of (bad) luck, better tennis instructed elsewhere,...….. ?????????
Its the other way around. We in Switzerland were insanely lucky that we had Federer and Wawrinka in the first place.

Tennis will resume to its normal state after the golden aera. No need to be ashamed of it. While the future of Swiss men tennis looks dire, at least we have some good prospects on the women side.
 

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I have lived in Spain for 4 years now and go to a lot of tennis tournaments ranging from futures to Challengers to ATP. I don't see any real hope/hype or expectations for the young tennis players.

People are still clinging to guys like Rafa, Verdasco and that generation because their hasn't been a new breakthrough player in quite some time. Even with Munar, who was at one point getting some attention, he has kind of flown under the radar in the past year to his career high ranking.

I don't really think there is much pressure on these guys, especially compared to the US. Growing up in Canada I saw all the media attention American players would receive with expectations that because they were good juniors, they were almost guaranteed to be top 10 players in the ATP.
 

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You want to talk bleak? In the Netherlands there's not even a heir to Haase. Let that sink in for a minute.
 

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In general, if you are a tennis player, your bar has been set very high by the Big 3, no matter where you come from. As you progress towards becoming a better, bigger, and greater player, you will always be compared to the Big 3 in terms of how great a player you are.
 

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Laaksonen after this tournament will be back in the top 100. He will then have more opportunities to play ATP tournaments. So he should no longer be considered as «just» a challenger player. Luca Margoroli is a Swiss doubles player who is in the verge of entering the top 100.
 

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In general, if you are a tennis player, your bar has been set very high by the Big 3, no matter where you come from. As you progress towards becoming a better, bigger, and greater player, you will always be compared to the Big 3 in terms of how great a player you are.
Very much this. And you see it already. These 3 are so dominant that if any 'young promising' player doesn't win a slam they are seen as a 'bust'. When the truth is you may very well need to have all 3 injured or retired. (barring a few exceptions)

Since Federer won his first Grand Slam title there have been 7 players that are not named Federer/Nadal/Djokovic that have won a grand slam and only 2 have won more than one in that time frame (Safin won his 2nd after Federer won his first, but his first was before Federer).

That's 10 out of 63 (likely 64 after the FO) slams. Other than Laver and Emmerson no other time has there been multiple double digit slam winners playing at the same time.
 

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Very much this. And you see it already. These 3 are so dominant that if any 'young promising' player doesn't win a slam they are seen as a 'bust'. When the truth is you may very well need to have all 3 injured or retired. (barring a few exceptions)

Since Federer won his first Grand Slam title there have been 7 players that are not named Federer/Nadal/Djokovic that have won a grand slam and only 2 have won more than one in that time frame (Safin won his 2nd after Federer won his first, but his first was before Federer).

That's 10 out of 63 (likely 64 after the FO) slams. Other than Laver and Emmerson no other time has there been multiple double digit slam winners playing at the same time.
11 out of 63 slams (Roddick-1, Gaudio-1, Safin-1, del Potro-1, Cilic-1, Murray-3, Wawrinka-3) were won by non-Big 3 since Wimbledon'03. 52 slams were shared by Big 3. 64th slam is being played currently.
 

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If you combine men and women, Switzerland are doing incredibly well. Obviously Federer and Wawrinka in the men's, but also Hingis in the women's, with Bencic looking very promising with two masters by 21/22.
 

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You can't copy a genius : )

And its especially hard to copy Rafa because you can't rely on aces to win Roland Garros, so you are left trying to copy Rafa....and how do you copy Rafa? You can't.

Whereas you can copy Federer by duplicating his serve and acing your way through Wimbledon....
 

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You can't copy a genius : )

And its especially hard to copy Rafa because you can't rely on aces to win Roland Garros, so you are left trying to copy Rafa....and how do you copy Rafa? You can't.

Whereas you can copy Federer by duplicating his serve and acing your way through Wimbledon....
Wrong. It was Nadal who copied Muster. He just took the lefty topspin FH to a higher level but the mechanics stayed the same.

There's nothing genius or original about Nadal's style of play. It's all about topspin botting. Without the modern racket technology he would struggle to win a single slam.
 

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Federer, Rafa and Nole set the bar so high that future generations wont even reach half of their numbers. That alone is one reason why who ever comes next will feel disapointed.

But i do agree that these 3 have made a big impact on their country and around the world.
There will never be another Rafa. The only thing close was Ferrer. He could play toe to toe with Rafa. But in the end the slam talent wasnt there.

The same could be said for Federer. There were/ are a few players who tried to copy Federer type of play. But again the talend level wasnt there.
 

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You can't copy a genius : )

And its especially hard to copy Rafa because you can't rely on aces to win Roland Garros, so you are left trying to copy Rafa....and how do you copy Rafa? You can't.

Whereas you can copy Federer by duplicating his serve and acing your way through Wimbledon....
Uncle Toni right? Because only a genius would create a lefthander out of a right hander. But the rest was all Rafa.
 

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Are there too many expectations for future in Serbian tennis?
Considering tennis came from nowhere before Nole, and we now have 3 top 30 and 5 top 100, most of them in the beginning of their prime, in a 7 million people country, I guess job is done so far.


You should try to escape your hate a little bit and find a way to watch something else than Thiem and Tsitsipas butts.
 

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Its the other way around. We in Switzerland were insanely lucky that we had Federer and Wawrinka in the first place.

Tennis will resume to its normal state after the golden aera. No need to be ashamed of it. While the future of Swiss men tennis looks dire, at least we have some good prospects on the women side.
True, do not know if there was a Hingis effect but Swiss female tennis is incredibly crowded between WTA and best ITF.
 

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You can't copy a genius : )

And its especially hard to copy Rafa because you can't rely on aces to win Roland Garros, so you are left trying to copy Rafa....and how do you copy Rafa? You can't.

Whereas you can copy Federer by duplicating his serve and acing your way through Wimbledon....
You can only copy Federer's serve if you are 6 feet 11. Otherwise, you have to have Federer's level of talent. That's why 6 feet 1 Nadal couldn't equal Federer's serve, not enough talent.
 

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Considering tennis came from nowhere before Nole, and we have 3 top 30 and 5 top 100, most of them in the beginning of their prime, in a 7 million people country, I guess job is done so far.


You should try to escape your hate a little bit and find a way to watch something else than Thiem and Tsitsipas butts.
Butts? :cuckoo:

It were you who said you hated Fed much more than I hated Djok/ Nad.

So instead of trying to give out stupid lectures and attacking me with your disgusting homophobia try changing your pills - maybe that'll help.
 

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If you combine men and women, Switzerland are doing incredibly well. Obviously Federer and Wawrinka in the men's, but also Hingis in the women's, with Bencic looking very promising with two masters by 21/22.
Sorry we are talking about prospect and future in ATP, so I am ok with praising female swiss tennis, but sorry to tell you Federer and Wawrinka, as well as Rafa and Nole are no more prospect and Future.
 
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