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https://www.braingametennis.com/novak-djokovic-playing-a-different-sport/

There are experts, and then some, but this one makes his living from analyzing numbers in the fine game of tennis.
I have enjoyed numerous times his articles on the ATP site under the common title "Brain Game..."
Craig O'Shannessy, ladies and gentlemen!

And for the lazy:
"Summary Nobody is putting up numbers like this in today’s game.Nowhere to run to vs. Novak. Nowhere to hide. Novak’s nirvana is a state of misery for anyone standing on the other side of the net.
The Super Serb serves better, is so much tougher to be broken, returns like a man possessed, and is way above par from the back of the court, and the front.
That’s why he is number one in the world, and has been for quite some time now.
His version of tennis looks different from the rest. It must feel amazing for him to know that he is significantly better than his opponents in every area of the sport that is crucial to the bottom line – winning the biggest titles the game has to offer.
Novak often times doesn’t receive the credit he deserves. I hope these numbers help correct that. He currently sits alone at the pinnacle of our sport. Let’s rejoice the age of Novak."
 

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Yet, Novak is only 9-8 in grandslam finals. Sooo unbeatable and perfect. :rolleyes:
 

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Nothing surprising in these stats.
Obviously the winner of the tournament will be above the average in many areas.
I mean the "average" include many players like Groth, Pospisil, Janowicz, Troicki or Dimitrov.
 

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Yet, Novak is only 9-8 in grandslam finals. Sooo unbeatable and perfect. :rolleyes:
Thanks for this insightful input! :D
So Fed is 10-23 against Nadal, and yet many still say he is the GOAT.
I guess there is an article on Nadal too by Mr O'Shannessy, but I didn't bother to search. I'll leave that to you... :)
 

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Nothing surprising in these stats.
Obviously the winner of the tournament will be above the average in many areas.
I mean the "average" include many players like Groth, Pospisil, Janowicz, Troicki or Dimitrov.
Reverse logic. Can you be the winner of the tournament not having stats above the average?!
 

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Reverse logic. Can you be the winner of the tournament not having stats above the average?!
It's possible for players like Ivanisevic who was a poor returner overall.
I'd like to have the stats of Wawrinka when he won the FO. But about Djokovic it is no surprise since everyone knows he is a very complete player.
 

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I read this already. Sorry, I just wish you didn't start this thread by 'stunned'. I'm not stunned at all.

Nole is playing great. However, let's behave :). I just don't like gloating ;).
 

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It's possible for players like Ivanisevic who was a poor returner overall...
So he had one exceptional stat.
But that stat alone bring him only so far.
If a thing called "butterfly effect" didn't exist...
 

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Just confirms what most of us who understand tennis and who are not blind Fedalrards alreadu know. Novak is all time top 5 player who dominates tennis and will dominate for several more years.
Haters and Fedaltardsare are so much butthurt by this fact and are unable to appreciate Novaks greatness. Fortunatelly media and real tennis fans are smarter than that.
 

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I read this already. Sorry, I just wish you didn't start this thread by 'stunned'. I'm not stunned at all.

Nole is playing great. However, let's behave :). I just don't like gloating ;).
Would you please stop acting like a Novak's fan police here. If we want to gloat we will gloat. We deserve that after the way Fedaltads disrespected Novak for years.
 
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Why compare him with the average stat, I would shoot for the average of the quarter finalists, or something. In the entire field there's bound to be a fair percentage of players who isn't a challenger in the first place.

Still impressive but meh, I'd have guessed as a world no 1 he's better at everything than the average joe.
 

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I read this already. Sorry, I just wish you didn't start this thread by 'stunned'. I'm not stunned at all.

Nole is playing great. However, let's behave :). I just don't like gloating ;).
I was only stunned, knowing MTF, that it took friday to tuesday to be brought to attention, and it took me, of all people, to bring it! :D
No gloating whatsoever, Alex my man! :D
 

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Why compare him with the average stat, I would shoot for the average of the quarter finalists, or something. In the entire field there's bound to be a fair percentage of players who isn't a challenger in the first place.

Still impressive but meh, I'd have guessed as a world no 1 he's better at everything than the average joe.
Well, you should direct your complaint to Mr. O'Shannessy... :)
 

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Djokovic is 46-2 on the year starting from the AO. He is so much better than the rest it's scary. Every match is his to lose. The only thing that can stop him are external factors and himself.
 

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https://www.braingametennis.com/novak-djokovic-playing-a-different-sport/

There are experts, and then some, but this one makes his living from analyzing numbers in the fine game of tennis.
I have enjoyed numerous times his articles on the ATP site under the common title "Brain Game..."
Craig O'Shannessy, ladies and gentlemen!

And for the lazy:
"Summary Nobody is putting up numbers like this in today’s game.Nowhere to run to vs. Novak. Nowhere to hide. Novak’s nirvana is a state of misery for anyone standing on the other side of the net.
The Super Serb serves better, is so much tougher to be broken, returns like a man possessed, and is way above par from the back of the court, and the front.
That’s why he is number one in the world, and has been for quite some time now.
His version of tennis looks different from the rest. It must feel amazing for him to know that he is significantly better than his opponents in every area of the sport that is crucial to the bottom line – winning the biggest titles the game has to offer.
Novak often times doesn’t receive the credit he deserves. I hope these numbers help correct that. He currently sits alone at the pinnacle of our sport. Let’s rejoice the age of Novak."
With all due respect but that article is wrong.
You can't compare average stats. Its stupid and outright lie.

First of all, author does not have elementary knowledge about how percentage works.
Second , example , if one player excels in service returns of 70% and another is 55% , average net worth would be 62.5% basically nullifying players characteristics over Novak's 67% making him the best. Which is basically a confirmation bias.

Do I need to explain why confirmation bias is wrong?


 

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No One is perfect or idealistic thats why we are humans....amen
 

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With all due respect but that article is wrong.
You can't compare average stats. Its stupid and outright lie.

First of all, author does not have elementary knowledge about how percentage works.
Second , example , if one player excels in service returns of 70% and another is 55% , average net worth would be 62.5% basically nullifying players characteristics over Novak's 67% making him the best. Which is basically a confirmation bias.

Do I need to explain why confirmation bias is wrong?
I'm not sure that you understood his methodology.
Anyway, there's that bell shaped curve... Most are under the bell, and few are further away at the rim.
 

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No One is perfect or idealistic thats why we are humans....amen
The man claims no such thing.
Simply shows how much Djokovic is above the bunch.
At the moment (if that will make you sleep at night).
 

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Winner of the tournament played better than the average player made by stats, color me surprised. Do you also think he has a higher ranking than the average of all ATP players or is too bold statement?
 

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https://www.braingametennis.com/novak-djokovic-playing-a-different-sport/

There are experts, and then some, but this one makes his living from analyzing numbers in the fine game of tennis.
I have enjoyed numerous times his articles on the ATP site under the common title "Brain Game..."
Craig O'Shannessy, ladies and gentlemen!

And for the lazy: <snip>"
This is probably the worst article I have ever read from Craig O'Shannessy. His articles on ATPWorldTour.com are excellent as they bring out hidden stats from games, something which regular stats dont catch. Here he didnt bring out any new insights, no new stat, just used the boilerplate regular serve-and-return stats which offer only a limited view. He also left a lot of stats that Wimbledon already provides for each match on its website (unforced errors, winners, drop shots, approach shots, volleys, lobs, ground strokes, etc etc etc) resulting in only a cursory incomplete analysis.

And secondly he is comparing with the averages of numbers of the rest 127 players -- assuming the other players are ranked from 2 to 127, the average stats would correspond to some one ranked #64. Really, he wants to compare #1 and #64, and say... "wow the stats are so better"! Why not compare with the Top 10 or quarterfinalists or something? So his excessive praise at the beginning of the article is meaningless.

Overall a dumb article, deliberately written to appeal to Novak fans (I am a fan, but uninterested in trash articles)
 
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