[tennisisawesome]

Djoko 1.44 Nadal 2.81

Anybody not surprised it's not more lopsided? I'm not a betting man but surely this is easy money Djokovic? He's won the last 17 sets on HC against Nadal. I think Nadal only won 5 games in one of them...

 

[Manu_ser]

I still remember the odds of Beijing 2015, Novak was at 1.15 LOL, I agree tomorrow Novak should be around 1.30 but he also played two very intense 3 setters so you never know.

 

[-Dominator-]

Not surprised, I expect Nadal to end up the year as the most overrated player odds-wise. He almost passed Zverev today in my overrated rating, and Zverev hasn't won a single match this year. :lol:

 

[Fedjokodal]

A little bit, yes, especially given Nadal's form so far. I would've expected something like a 4 on Nadal.

The only way to defend this is to say that most of Djokovic's wins since 2013 came when Nadal was in very bad form (2015 to 2016). Much harder to explain away the AO 19 final, though.

 

[NADALalot]

Djoko 1.44 Nadal 2.81

Anybody not surprised it's not more lopsided? I'm not a betting man but surely this is easy money Djokovic? He's won the last 17 sets on HC against Nadal. I think Nadal only won 5 games in one of them...

Apart from 2019 AO (which doesn't count, because Rafa had ankle surgery at the end of 2018 and said he couldn't train fully for the AO), when did they last meet on hardcourt?
Twice in 2016, and twice in 2015, and those just happen to be Rafa's 2 worst years ever - slamless years.
And Rafa has won their last 3 clay meetings (including the first EVER bagel of their rivalry), and Djokovic beat Rafa at 2018 Wimbledon but it was 10-8 in 5th Set.

 

[NADALalot]

A little bit, yes, especially given Nadal's form so far. I would've expected something like a 4 on Nadal.

The only way to defend this is to say that most of Djokovic's wins since 2013 came when Nadal was in very bad form (2015 to 2016). Much harder to explain away the AO 19 final, though.

"....because of the things that happened to me in terms of surgery, then what happened in Abu Dhabi, I was not able to work that much the defensive game. I worked a lot on the offensive game, but not that much on the defensive game.
To play against a player like him, playing the way he played tonight, I needed that defensive game to finally have the chance to be offensive, no?"

https://ausopen.com/articles/interviews/rafael-nadal-f-interview

 

[sheep85]

nah, seems reasonable to me tbh.

 

[SetPointDown]

Djokovic will be pumped to get revenge for the bagel/breadstick of Rome final

 

[umbrellapub]

When was the last time the underdog won between these two? I am thinking Rome 2014 final for Djokovic and Montreal 2013 final for Nadal... but could be forgetting some.

 

[Passion Nadal]

They are both one of the best players in the history, both capable of playing insane tennis and capable of raising their level like no others. Remember most thought how Federer was a broken man and had no chance of beating Djokovic in Laver Cup? so yeah, Djokovic is no doubt the clear favourite, but with these players you never know.

 

[Ace2ndServe]

I'm surprised the odds aren't closer. Look at Novak most recent wins over Rafa on hard. I don't think you can take too much from them. A lot of those wins were in 2015 and 2016 when Rafa was playing his career worst tennis. Heck he even lost to Novak at the French Open which shows how far from his best he was those two years. His worst two years by far.

Then you look at last year AO final and again Rafa made that final without being able to practice the whole off season. So I don't read a whole lot in Novak recent hard court dominance of Rafa as far present is concerned. And really the same probably can be said of this ATP Cup final. Although I think Rafa can win it or at least be competitive in it, again this won't be the best version of Rafa as he had to travel from Perth and is tired, haven't fully adjusted to the conditions.

Hopefully we will get an AO final between the two when they are both at their best.

 

[Phillo]

It's aIways one excuse after another for the most famous MaIIorcan. Last year it was "unabIe to practice yada yada" yet doesn't drop a set up to the AO finaI. Now it's “traveI time yada yada” when these guys traveI first cIass & easiIy abIe to snooze w/ hired hands to do everything for them.

 

[theseth1119]

What're Rogie's odds booked at?

 

[laughingcavalier]

... Don't forget guys that yearssssss ago Nadal actually held a set point against Djokovic at Indian Wells.A set point.
That changes everything people as Nadalalot told us so back then.

For that IMO Nadal is runaway 1.01 favorite for this match irrespective of the consecutive sets drubbings he's received to Djokovic on this surface.

 

[MalvinLuisandy]

... Don't forget guys that yearssssss ago Nadal actually held a set point against Djokovic at Indian Wells.A set point.
That changes everything people as Nadalalot told us so back then.

For that IMO Nadal is runaway 1.01 favorite for this match irrespective of the consecutive sets drubbings he's received to Djokovic on this surface.

I"M SURE 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Nadal WIN WIN SET!

 

[masterclass]

Spain's team captain can withdraw RAFA from singles, then #27 PCB will play #34 Lajovic and #10 RBA will play #2 Novak

RBA has been a much better match-up against Novak on hard court recently, especially in best of 3, where RBA has won their last 3 matches. RBA's last loss to Novak in HC best of 3 was on the faster courts of Dubai back in 2014.

PCB has a 1-0 record vs. Lajovic on hard courts winning at 2017 Indian Wells.

Responsibly,
masterclass

 

[Monsi]

Spain's team captain can withdraw RAFA from singles, then #27 PCB will play #34 Lajovic and #10 RBA will play #2 Novak

Wouldn't be the worst of ideas, to be honest. Of course, not going to happen, as RAFA will never be withdrawn. But a suddenly appearing injury is always an option.

 

[NADALalot]

It's aIways one excuse after another for the most famous MaIIorcan. Last year it was "unabIe to practice yada yada" yet doesn't drop a set up to the AO finaI. Now it's “traveI time yada yada” when these guys traveI first cIass & easiIy abIe to snooze w/ hired hands to do everything for them.

But Rafa ended the points very quickly in those first 6 matches at the AO, and everyone was commenting on how he was taking risks and hitting flatter.

He was hitting flatter because he knew he couldn't run much, and Tsitsipas didn't move him around much at all.

The danger Djokovic presents for Rafa is very wide angles which force Rafa corner-to-corner, and that physicality was enough to destroy the underdone version of Rafa at 2019ao.

 

[Phillo]

OnIy remote chance for MaIIorcan is if conditions resembIe USO BIue CIay.

 

[Laak]

Yes!
1.20-1.25 would be my guess before looking it up.