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Is Roddick an all-time great?

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Roddick gets a lot of hate on this forum as the supposed exhibit A for the supposed weak era, but it’s completely unjustified.
He’s a grand slam champion, and a 5 time slam finalist. He’s a year end world number 1 and won 32 titles. Also it’s important to remember that prime Roddick made Novak Djokovic his personal pigeon.

So Roddick couldn’t beat prime Federer at Rogers best slams, no one else has ever been able to either. If it wasn’t for Roger, Roddick would have had 7 or 8 slams.

If 24 year old Roddick was playing nowadays he’s be the overwhelming favorite at every slam outside of RG.
It’s time we call Andy Roddick what he is, an all-time great.
 

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Tell me who would be favored over Roddick at next years AO, W, or USO
Olderer, Oldovic and Oldull would all be favourites over any version of Roddick. At all three Slams. You claim Djoker was Roddick's "personal pigeon" when their H2H is 5-4 to Roddick. If you counter by saying two of those wins came in 2010 and 2012, against "out of prime" Roddick, it's easy enough to see that three of Roddick's wins came in 2009, the worst year of Djoker's career until 2017. Either way, it's still 5-4, a marginal lead only. If that makes a pigeon, now I suppose both Fed and Dull are Djoker's "personal pigeons"?

 

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Prime Roddick was 5-2 against Djokovic. That’s nearly 3 out of 4, so yes Novak was Roddicks pigeon.

Basically your argument is that old Djokovic would beat prime Roddick despite the fact that prime Djokovic couldn’t beat Roddick. It makes no sense
 

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Right, so a player's prime is when you decide their prime is according to the argument you want to make. No tennis fan would call 2009 Djokovic prime Djokovic. We can all unanimously agree that 2009 was Djokovic's worst year between 2007 and 2019 (except 2017). But sure, that's when you say his prime is, so your argument has any semblance of validity.

Regardless, Oldull and especially Olderer would still spank Roddick on any surface at any tournament, with a possible exception for Oldull v/s Roddick on indoor hard.
 

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Prime Roddick was 5-2 against Djokovic. That’s nearly 3 out of 4, so yes Novak was Roddicks pigeon.

Basically your argument is that old Djokovic would beat prime Roddick despite the fact that prime Djokovic couldn’t beat Roddick. It makes no sense
20/21 y.o. Djokovic was 2:1 up vs prime Roddick, 21/22 y.o Djokovic then lost three times in 2009, and then was 2:1 again thereafter 2010-12 as prime Djokovic, so, both baby Djokovic and prime Djokovic had positive 2:1 scores i.e. were capable of beating Roddick.
 

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Roddick is much better than what some Nadal/Djokovic fans would like you to believe to diminish Federer, but to call him an all-time great is laughable. He was a great player, that's it. Calling him the favorite in not only one, but THREE slams is ridiculous. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are still favorites over him, even if he certainly could trouble Nadal and Djokovic outside clay, but his record against Federer is pathetic. Not only them, it's hardly a given that Roddick would beat a good version of Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, del Potro or NextGeners like Shapo, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Thiem, etc. He was a very dangerous player but so are a lot of those. A good version of Safin or Nalbandian would be tougher to deal for the Big 3 (Roddick was much more consistent than these two, but against these guys you need a high peak level, not consistency, that's why Wawrinka is a bigger threat to them than say, Berdych, or even Murray). Roddick was very unlucky to run into Federer several times but he also had some easy draws before doing so in some slams. I'd say it's very likely he would have won more slams had he faced other players instead, even a peak version of Nadal or Djokovic, but 8 is an exaggeration. He also used to struggle against Hewitt before the latter was hampered by injuries and he only didn't face him because Federer took him out before in several slams as well.
 

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Roddick was underrated and he looked worse against Federer since he actually made it far enough to play him that many times and while he is a very accomplished player, he’s not quite in the all time great league. Those guys are the ones with many weeks at no.1 and a good amount of slams.
 

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Roddick is much better than what some Nadal/Djokovic fans would like you to believe to diminish Federer, but to call him an all-time great is laughable. He was a great player, that's it. Calling him the favorite in not only one, but THREE slams is ridiculous. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are still favorites over him, even if he certainly could trouble Nadal and Djokovic outside clay, but his record against Federer is pathetic. Not only them, it's hardly a given that Roddick would beat a good version of Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, del Potro or NextGeners like Shapo, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Thiem, etc. He was a very dangerous player but so are a lot of those. A good version of Safin or Nalbandian would be tougher to deal for the Big 3 (Roddick was much more consistent than these two, but against these guys you need a high peak level, not consistency, that's why Wawrinka is a bigger threat to them than say, Berdych, or even Murray). Roddick was very unlucky to run into Federer several times but he also had some easy draws before doing so in some slams. I'd say it's very likely he would have won more slams had he faced other players instead, even a peak version of Nadal or Djokovic, but 8 is an exaggeration. He also used to struggle against Hewitt before the latter was hampered by injuries and he only didn't face him because Federer took him out before in several slams as well.
Pretty much the way I see it
 

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Roddick is much better than what some Nadal/Djokovic fans would like you to believe to diminish Federer, but to call him an all-time great is laughable. He was a great player, that's it. Calling him the favorite in not only one, but THREE slams is ridiculous. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are still favorites over him, even if he certainly could trouble Nadal and Djokovic outside clay, but his record against Federer is pathetic. Not only them, it's hardly a given that Roddick would beat a good version of Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, del Potro or NextGeners like Shapo, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Thiem, etc. He was a very dangerous player but so are a lot of those. A good version of Safin or Nalbandian would be tougher to deal for the Big 3 (Roddick was much more consistent than these two, but against these guys you need a high peak level, not consistency, that's why Wawrinka is a bigger threat to them than say, Berdych, or even Murray). Roddick was very unlucky to run into Federer several times but he also had some easy draws before doing so in some slams. I'd say it's very likely he would have won more slams had he faced other players instead, even a peak version of Nadal or Djokovic, but 8 is an exaggeration. He also used to struggle against Hewitt before the latter was hampered by injuries and he only didn't face him because Federer took him out before in several slams as well.
Roddick had an excellent record against Djokovic and a pretty respectable one against Nadal. It was mostly a singular inability to beat Roger that stopped him from winning several slams.
In Roddicks four losses in slam finals he lost to Federer, Federer, Federer, and Federer all on Rogers best surfaces. And that’s just finals. I don’t even want to know how many SF and QFs Roddick lost to Roger in slams.
I feel like Roddick has been unfairly punished by having been the same age as Federer
 

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Fun fact of the day over the course of their careers Roddick held serve at a higher percentage than Federer, Sampras, Nadal, and Djokovic
 

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Outside of a serve that afforded him a lavish lifestyle and a trophy wife, he was terrible. Ugly, witless, brainless tennis and an atrocious on-court attitude as well. Thank god Federer was there to shut him down all the time. 🤮
 

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Outside of a serve that afforded him a lavish lifestyle and a trophy wife, he was terrible. Ugly, witless, brainless tennis and an atrocious on-court attitude as well. Thank god Federer was there to shut him down all the time. 🤮
I really like Roddicks style, the man had no fear whatsoever. He didn’t care what the score or the situation was he was going to hit the ball as hard as he could every shot
 
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