[cobalt60]

Next round a toughie but good luck

 

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Gonzo won in 2 tight sets :awww: good try though from amer, hopefully he'll keep up the hard work and end the year well

 

[partygirl]

 

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Amer lost in the first round of the Louisville challenger to Peter Polansky in a 3rd set TB

 

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amer's #8 seed in next week's nashville draw, but his quarter is very tough :awww:

 

[DartMarcus]

Amer Delic USA [8] vs. Sam Warburg USA
Q vs. Somdev Devvarman IND
Giovanni Lapentti ECU vs. Zack Fleishman USA [WC]
Tim Smyczek USA [WC] vs. Jesse Levine USA [3]

 

[cobalt60]

yuck draw.

 

[DartMarcus]

I expect Amer either win the whole thing either lose in 1st round.

 

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sadly you were right, he lost to Warburg in straights

 

[DartMarcus]

Poor Amer

 

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And he lost to Warburg again this week in Champaign's first round I believe Amer has won this challenger before, so that is not a good loss Not ending the year well at all

 

[TankingTheSet]

I recently read something about the commercial surgery called "ETS" which is used to cure excessive sweating in the hands amongst other things. I then realized Delic had this surgery, which shocked me. The surgery is very effective in stopping sweating in the hand and other areas, but it is very drastic in the sense that it destroys a large part of the autonomic nervous system in the body, which has effects on a very large number of organs and body parts, most of them negative. Especially for a sportsman it may cause problems. I hope this is not the case for Amer because that would be some nasty shit to take.

 

[jmf07]

I recently read something about the commercial surgery called "ETS" which is used to cure excessive sweating in the hands amongst other things. I then realized Delic had this surgery, which shocked me. The surgery is very effective in stopping sweating in the hand and other areas, but it is very drastic in the sense that it destroys a large part of the autonomic nervous system in the body, which has effects on a very large number of organs and body parts, most of them negative. Especially for a sportsman it may cause problems. I hope this is not the case for Amer because that would be some nasty shit to take.

Yeah the post just made me read a little bit about it and it does seem pretty nasty and has even been banned in some countries.

 

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yikes,. well one would hope and assume that amer's smart enough (he seems it anyway) to have done his research before he did this. hopefully he is ok and hasn't suffered any of these bad side effects :awww:

 

[cobalt60]

My understanding is that ETS is only used as a last resort and that most of the drawbacks/risks occur at the time of the surgery. I have yet to read about any long term risks and it DOES NOT destroy "a lot of the autonomic nervous system". It is microsurgery and typically only involves destroying one to two levels of the thoracic sympathetic chain.
It has been used for over a decade with excellent results and minimal acute complications. No where in my reading did I read about any longterm complications that would hurt a sportsman.
I am sure Amer was counseled properly.

 

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Dr. Sue to the rescue thanks

 

[TankingTheSet]

My understanding is that ETS is only used as a last resort and that most of the drawbacks/risks occur at the time of the surgery. I have yet to read about any long term risks and it DOES NOT destroy "a lot of the autonomic nervous system". It is microsurgery and typically only involves destroying one to two levels of the thoracic sympathetic chain.
It has been used for over a decade with excellent results and minimal acute complications. No where in my reading did I read about any longterm complications that would hurt a sportsman.
I am sure Amer was counseled properly.

From reading Amer's blog/website he was well aware of possible negative side-effects so it was a conscious decision to have the surgery.

There have been very few thorough medical studies on the subject. The surgery is notable for commercial private doctors in the US that have been actively solliciting patients. There has been a backlash against this surgery by people who suffered long-term side-effects that have started a large number of "warning/support" websites against ETS with full description of the long-term negative side-effects.

The Swedish doctor who pioneered the surgery stopped doing it and has now dedicated his career to tying to help people who suffer long-term side effects, and it has been banned in Sweden.

When thinking of possible drawbacks to a sportsman, I am considering for example the fact that the surgery destroys the sympathetic autonomic nervous system connection to the heart, which could interfere with the regulation of heart rate for excersize (sprints etc).

 

[cobalt60]

From reading Amer's blog/website he was well aware of possible negative side-effects so it was a conscious decision to have the surgery.

There have been very few thorough medical studies on the subject. The surgery is notable for commercial private doctors in the US that have been actively solliciting patients. There has been a backlash against this surgery by people who suffered long-term side-effects that have started a large number of "warning/support" websites against ETS with full description of the long-term negative side-effects.

The Swedish doctor who pioneered the surgery stopped doing it and has now dedicated his career to tying to help people who suffer long-term side effects, and it has been banned in Sweden.

When thinking of possible drawbacks to a sportsman, I am considering for example the fact that the surgery destroys the sympathetic autonomic nervous system connection to the heart, which could interfere with the regulation of heart rate for excersize (sprints etc).

Actually many of the centers I know about are in academic centers with a long history of performing the surgery. I am always leary of so called "warning websites" in this regard. And the surgery when done right only cuts off the
thoracic sympathetic chain number 3 and rarely also number 4. This of itself should not affect the heart rate. Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman. Not sure I understand where you get your information. Anyway I am quite done on this subject :lol:

 

[TankingTheSet]

Actually many of the centers I know about are in academic centers with a long history of performing the surgery. I am always leary of so called "warning websites" in this regard. And the surgery when done right only cuts off the
thoracic sympathetic chain number 3 and rarely also number 4. This of itself should not affect the heart rate. Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman. Not sure I understand where you get your information. Anyway I am quite done on this subject :lol:

Well, I admit to using Wikipedia's description, which certainly suggests that the surgery is not without controversy and there is a difference of opinion even in the medical field. When performed by academic centers on delibitated patients (who suffer from severe social/psychological problems associated with hyperhidrosis or social fobia) certainly I can imagine that the positive effects of the surgery far outweigh the negative. But it doesn't quite seem to be the minor surgery with limited side-effects that is sometimes portrayed.

The history of medicine is filled with treatment strategies and methods that at one time were considered benign and highly effective and later discredited. I'm not saying ETS is all bad, but there's certain reason for caution.

 

[TankingTheSet]

Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman.

I think the surgery at the moment has an "approval" rating for certain indications by the governmental medical authorities in the US, and is generally reimbursed and covered by insurance. As long as a doctor documents a condition for which the surgery is officially indicated among his patients, he will feel legally protected since most of the blame would fall on the authorities in the event of a legal backlash.