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I already posted this in the Statistics forum, but I thought I'd do it here too since, ahead of the semi-finals and the World Group play-offs this weekend, this thread definitely needs updating:


DAVIS CUP WINNERS

Andre Agassi: 30-6 (one of which, out of interest, was a retirement against Killer Cahill himself back in 1990)
Lleyton Hewitt: 27-6 (will surely go down in history as the best DC player of his generation)
Andrei Pavel: 27-10
Tim Henman: 26-8
Karol Kucera: 26-9 (at one stage after first round in 2000, was 23-4)
Younes El Aynaoui: 21-11
Carlos Moya: 20-7
Dominik Hrbaty: 20-8
Gustavo Kuerten: 20-10
Roger Federer: 19-6 (has lost three sets in his last 14 singles matches; unfortunately for him, they were consecutive)
Hicham Arazi: 19-11
Greg Rusedski: 18-9
Jiri Novak: 16-5
Ivan Ljubicic: 16-10 (and he goes into the semis with a perfect 6-0 record in singles and doubles this year)
Andy Roddick: 15-6 (unbeaten on hard until he suffered the wrath of Ivan the Terrible)
Jonas Bjorkman: 15-8
Thomas Enqvist: 15-10
Sjeng Schalken: 15-12 (in contrast to Kucera, was 8-10 at the start of 2003)
Tommy Haas: 14-3
Juan Carlos Ferrero: 14-5
Marat Safin: 14-11
Nicolas Escude: 13-3 (the unbeatable man of 2001, his streak was brought to an end in 2002 by Novak - his only other defeats since have both been at the hands of Federer)
Gaston Gaudio: 13-3 (was 13-0, but all in Argentina against less than challenging opposition; and his three horrendous defeats since suggest that he isn't one to rely on when you're playing away)
Sebastien Grosjean: 13-9 (well, he showed up and played, but didn't contribute so much as one set to the French victory)
Mark Philippoussis: 13-9
Alex Corretja:* 12-3
Fernando Gonzalez: 10-3
Albert Costa: 9-5
Arnaud Clement: 9-7
Thomas Johansson: 9-7 (and should evidently never be paired with Bjorkman in doubles again)
David Nalbandian: 6-1 (a relative minnow, but it's also worth mentioning his 5-0 record in DC doubles)
Fabrice Santoro:* 6-6
Guillermo Coria: 5-1
Nikolay Davydenko: 5-3
Mikhail Youzhny: 4-7 (and only two of those victories were in live rubbers; it's just that the first of those two happened to be rather significant)


*as doubles players only in the final
 
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Don't be presumptuous Dirky, Murray might yet spring a surprise on him.

Agassi has lost two matches since 1990, both straight-sets thrashing in the U.S. at the hands of Ljubo this year and the Y-Man back in 1998.
 

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Murray will do what to Roger? Sjengster get yourself a backbone. Will you ever tout Roger the winner of any match? What was Pete's DC record by the way?
 

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Sorry, obviously one displays backbone by declaring that Roger will triple bagel every opponent. My mistake. BTW, this tie does represent my favourite player against my home country, so loyalties will be torn.

A comparatively meagre 15-8 in singles, 19-9 overall, and the only doubles match he lost was to the Woodies.
 

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Sjengster stop being silly. I said win not bagelling. There is not one thing Murray can do to Roger out there in order to win. Just because you get lots of press doesn't mean you have the tools to beat Roger, just ask the other Andy.
 

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Considering the surface, I think there are a few things Murray can do to trouble him. Obviously Federer is the better player on any surface which is why he'll probably get the W, but I'm willing to bet that of the two men Murray has spent more time and hit more balls on clay.
 

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but who has more experience and who is the better clay player? You have to excuse Roger for not practicing on clay leading up to the tie as much as murray. He was busy in NY defending his USO title.
 

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I'm not talking about recently, I mean that in their overall careers Murray has practised a lot on clay - OK, not as much as Federer because of the age gap, but I'll bet a larger portion of his development has been on the surface. Of course experience and general class will no doubt tell in the end, but Murray has too many effective plays and awkward elements to his game for me to assume this will be a straight-sets demolition. Rusedski on the other hand, you can take to the bank as a 3-0 romp provided nothing adverse happens on court.
 

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I think Roger will probably double break Murray in one or two of the sets. I see a three set win. Roger is one of the best claycourters out there. Of course Undomiele and Alexito would say otherwise. :rolleyes:
 

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I see a tight first two sets, either both taken by Federer or else split apiece, and then Roger pulling away comfortably in either the third or the fourth.

Of course he is, but a) alexito doesn't have to be taken seriously and b) to pass the Undomiele Claycourt Test, Roger will undoubtedly have to win back-to-back five-setters against Gaudio, Puerta, Coria and Nadal to take the crown in Paris.
 

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Finally a Sjengster post I agree with, well the 2nd part anyway. Roger is a very different animal in DC. I see a slaughtering of both Greg and Andy.
 

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It happens from time to time.

He's been superb at demolishing the opposition in the last couple of years, it'll just be interesting to see how he plays after such a long break from DC duties. He seems to be a better away than home player, the DC website last year observed that his wins over the French in Switzerland were probably his poorest matches since he started winning back in 2002, even though he won them both in straight sets.
 

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Thanks for this list. A lot of them are as expected, but there are a decent few that are suprising.
 

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:hatoff: indeed to Mr Hewitt.

Sjengster said:
Lleyton Hewitt: 27-6 (will surely go down in history as the best DC player of his generation)
Looking back over his record (which is now 30-8)...he's undefeated on hard & carpet but only 6-3 on clay (not unexpected) and :eek: 12-5 on grass. And his most shocking result on grass, came this summer...to the guy he beat for his Wimby crown. I also hadn't realized that he's beaten Fed twice along the way (the epic in '03 and earlier in '00).

Thanks for pulling all the stats together, Sjengster.
 

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These are singles records only, AQ. It occurs to me that his defeats at home have largely been the result of Fitzy's foolish decision to stick him in the doubles - OK, so maybe no-one else was available this year against Argentina, but they should have used Woodbridge back in the 2001 final instead of gambling with Rafter's shoulder. As it was Hewitt played a terrible, nervous match and effectively set up the French victory.
 

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:hatoff: indeed to Mr Hewitt.

Looking back over his record (which is now 30-8)...he's undefeated on hard & carpet but only 6-3 on clay (not unexpected) and :eek: 12-5 on grass. And his most shocking result on grass, came this summer...to the guy he beat for his Wimby crown. I also hadn't realized that he's beaten Fed twice along the way (the epic in '03 and earlier in '00).

Thanks for pulling all the stats together, Sjengster.
And that 6-3 on clay including defeating Kuerten in his home town Florianopolis and Guga was still at his prime in April, 2001. Hewitt single handly won the tie for Brazil, defeating Meligeni and Guga in singles and pair up with Rafter defeating Guga and Oncins in doubles. :worship:
 

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Say what you will about Lleyton, but he cares about his country and puts playing for them as his top priority.

Dominik Hrbaty's record is extremely impressive, considering his rank and results in other big events.

Karol Kucera is another talented player that always did his best when representing his country, kudos to him.

I read in tennis magazine just yesterday that at one point Bjorn Borg went on a DC streak of 33 consecutive singles matches, I doubt anyone could ever top that.
 

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Dirk said:
Finally a Sjengster post I agree with, well the 2nd part anyway. Roger is a very different animal in DC. I see a slaughtering of both Greg and Andy.
I dont
basically as Swiss will win 3-0 and roger wont play a dead rubber
 

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Is Hicham still active? :unsure: :sad:
 
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