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@buddyholly I think Trump clearly showed his incompetence and foolishness during this virus crisis. But so did many politicians around the world. Here, they did a mess. We fared relatively well so far, but surely not thanks to the politicians. I am not sure how, to be honest. Maybe the worst is still ahead for us.

The question was not Trump but media bias. I understand that the US has performed bad not only because of Trump, but also because the US is the most reluctant country in the world to readily accept the Chinese ways in dealing with this. I hate this virus too, and I also lose patience with it and at moments I lose my discipline. Trump could have done much better for sure. But in a complex country like the US, with such power separation and division, I can't blame only Trump for this. It wouldn't be fair. I can blame mostly Trump but not just him. Without Trump, if it was Bush or Obama, it would be better in terms of hope and unity in this crisis. But the death toll, I don't know. I am not so sure about such big Trump impact. I am just trying to be objective, not defending Trump.

Trump is a flawed individual, but yes, he is limited in damage that he can possibly do, fortunately. I hope he loses the election not because I think he is so dangerous, but first because I want this political and media madness to stop and things go back to normal, second, I disagree politically with Trump and his nationalistic vision, and third,he is too divisive (he didn't invent that division though). Without this virus and protests...well, as pedigree mentioned, the US did not perform so bad economically. My only point was there is no reason for the media to treat Trump worse than Saddam Hussein, in his own country. He is still the president.
I don’t think any other politician said Covid was nothing and would miraculously disappear in a few days. Then, when it didn’t, say it wasn’t his fault, it was everybody else’s fault and walk away to busy himself with more important and interesting activities, like racist tweets.
You do know that, while the danger of a coming pandemic was well known, one of Trump’s early Presidential decisions was to dissolve the entire US Pandemic response team? How did that work out?

Apart from Covid, you think everything else Trump did was just "flawed." You know I consider him a threat to the national security of the US, and that is bad for all of us.
And as it happens, the latest reporting by Carl Bernstein certainly seems to back that up. Unless you consider Bernstein crazy, of course.
It provides a clear picture of the incompetence of Trump, an amoral psychopath, who cares only for himself. Envying foreign dictators and giving in to their every wish in order to gain their approval and be one of the club. Putin ad Erdogan are playing him like a fiddle and probably calling each other to fall about laughIng at his stupidity.
This picture of Trump is borne out by everyone that left their positions in the WH because they could no longer be part of the daily mess.

Trump is a man that can not even be bothered to read his intelligence briefings, because what is in there is beyond his attention span. Trump’s only interest, all day, every day, is Trump.

While you may want to pass this off as flawed, I see it as much more dangerous.
 

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I don't think Bernstein is crazy, like some other people, he has been revitalized by Trump. We can all see how bad Trump is from many books on his presidency. I guess Bernstein is having a blast right now - I don't have anything against that. He used to investigate security agencies in good old times, especially during republican presidencies. CIA used to do dirty things. FBI used to do dirty things, historically against prominent minority leaders. Nowadays, everything is hunky dory. Everyone's clean and good except one certain individual. Long live Marx, long live FBI and CIA and BLM on the same banner. That's crazy. There is only one Freddy Krueger that disrupts the harmony. When we get rid of him, harmony will rule again. Of course, if there was something unlawful in doing anything possible to unseat someone who got the votes....you know, that was for a good cause. So that we can be safe again. Americans are stupid and didn't know what they were doing when they elected Trump. There are people who are in the know, and they know best what should be done. Including telling Biden to STFU and wait till everything is ready. I am not afraid of Trump. I am afraid of people who can do that much to the president of the US and get away with it. It means that no other individual in the world has any chance. As before, I can only deplore the fact that it was Trump who got there in that crucial moment, and not someone else. But still, for those watching all around the world, we have seen enough about what you still get if you really challenge the establishment. Good ole foot in the butt, like they once did with the black leaders, but now packaged in new, appropriate clothes. 😘
 

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If it hadn‘t been for COVID and BLM which gives the media a „fresh“ narrative, Trump would be running away with this election.

The Dems are VERY lucky. They have absolutely no strategy except for „well we‘re not Trump hah!“.

Lazy uncreative people only relying on the media.
Well, you're facing an even weaker opponent - an incompetent dolt - which will make your life easier. A W is in the making simply by the repeated own goals your opponent is now scoring (during the better part of 2020); no do-overs; you're not gonna stop him / you'll take it.

However, your opponent is tearing down the arena while he's at it. A reactionary/myopic dolt to boot:


Historians say Trump’s presidency has forced a pendulum swing back from the environmental awakening of the 1960s and 70s, when there was bipartisan support for conservation. Protecting the environment – and particularly the climate – is an issue that has become embroiled in political ideology.
“What Trump’s done is create a blitzkrieg against the environment … trying to dismantle not just Obama’s environmental achievements but turn back the clock to a pre-Richard Nixon day,” said Douglas Brinkley, a history professor at Rice University who is writing a book on the subject.

“It’s just death by a thousand cuts. It’s not one issue, it’s just across the board.”
The administration is under a tight deadline to secure changes before the election. A US law, the Congressional Review Act, allows lawmakers to more easily rescind regulations or rollbacks issued later in an election year.

“They’re hitting a now or never timeline,” said Christine Tezak, the managing director at the analysis firm ClearView Energy Partners. “There’s a lot they want to get done before the election, just in case.”


“Since the Covid-19 epidemic took hold, Trump has not eased up on efforts to roll back environmental protections. It’s been full steam ahead,” said Nancy Ketcham-Colwill, a former EPA attorney who now volunteers with Save EPA, a group fighting administration policy.

This month, the agriculture secretary invited more oil and gas exploration in national forests. Mr Trump has proclaimed a marine monument that is home to turtles and whales open to commercial fishing. The EPA issued a final rule that would undercut states’ power to block new natural gas pipelines.
Working from home, EPA officials in late March eased fuel economy standards for cars in a rule they estimated would cause 2bn more barrels of oil to be burnt, increasing carbon dioxide emissions by 900m tonnes.
 

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I don't think Bernstein is crazy, like some other people, he has been revitalized by Trump. We can all see how bad Trump is from many books on his presidency. I guess Bernstein is having a blast right now - I don't have anything against that. He used to investigate security agencies in good old times, especially during republican presidencies. CIA used to do dirty things. FBI used to do dirty things, historically against prominent minority leaders. Nowadays, everything is hunky dory. Everyone's clean and good except one certain individual. Long live Marx, long live FBI and CIA and BLM on the same banner. That's crazy. There is only one Freddy Krueger that disrupts the harmony. When we get rid of him, harmony will rule again. Of course, if there was something unlawful in doing anything possible to unseat someone who got the votes....you know, that was for a good cause. So that we can be safe again. Americans are stupid and didn't know what they were doing when they elected Trump. There are people who are in the know, and they know best what should be done. Including telling Biden to STFU and wait till everything is ready. I am not afraid of Trump. I am afraid of people who can do that much to the president of the US and get away with it. It means that no other individual in the world has any chance. As before, I can only deplore the fact that it was Trump who got there in that crucial moment, and not someone else. But still, for those watching all around the world, we have seen enough about what you still get if you really challenge the establishment. Good ole foot in the butt, like they once did with the black leaders, but now packaged in new, appropriate clothes. 😘
I don’t think anybody has done anything to Trump and got away with it.

All they have done is reported on his administration. If that comes off as outrageous, it is because his administration actually is outrageous.

You can’t ignore his running away from Covid.
You can’t ignore his constant lying.
You can’t ignore his ignorance of the real world. (Is Finland part of Russia?)
You can’t ignore his scheming with Barr to get his guilty cronies off the hook. The cherished separation of powers is just a joke to these two.
You can’t ignore his refusal to release his tax returns.
You can not ignore his using his own charity to steal the money for himself.
You can’t ignore his racism.
You can’t ignore his misogyn.
You can’t ignore his preference for retweeting conspiracy theories over reading his briefs.
You can’t ignore his efforts in the Ukraine.
You can’t ignore his obedience to Putin.
You can’t ignore his trying to get a "Noble" prize by fawning over Kim.

etc etc

Should the media just have looked the other way in the interests of harmony? You have not really explained what the media should have done about the constant revelations about Trump’s incompetence and unlawful behaviour.
 

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I don’t think anybody has done anything to Trump and got away with it.

All they have done is reported on his administration. If that comes off as outrageous, it is because his administration actually is outrageous.
According to all possible polls, Trump will soon go away. You noticed that I never focus much on him and his character. For me, he is an individual who is currently the US president.

And then, I guess my point that there is indeed a media crisis will be better defended. What is simple truth, and what is a tailored narrative. Because truth is both facts AND context. Nowadays, there is almost a tyranny of the facts over the context. If you want, you can take any facts and come up with any narrative. It is not that difficult. I can do it, too. BH, once Trump is gone, it will be easier for me to persuade you, you'll see.

As for who did what, I hope books will be written, just as we now have books on Trump, but more important ones. It couldn't be that easily seen under the media shadow of Trump's monstrosity.

I like to think Trump will lose not because of the media bias. I trust the voters. Trump winning was a collective warning to the establishment. Now they will probably want some stability. But it doesn't mean that people were wrong, stupid, deplorable and now they deserve to be punished. No, it's the people that can punish the media and the establishment again. And they will eventually, if things continue this way, you can bet on that. Once Trump won, more people can do it.

If I was part of BLM, I wouldn't be so happy for this support of MSM and top politicians, because...who do they actually protest, then? KKK? The wealthiest people in the country, almost all democrats, almost all media, and many republicans already support them. BLM looks like total mainstream right now, and we know that is not true. So, who is lying and why? Once the story shifts from color of skin to color of money, as it inevitably will, I guess the picture becomes clearer. But it will not make either side there particularly happy.
 

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Should the media just have looked the other way in the interests of harmony? You have not really explained what the media should have done about the constant revelations about Trump’s incompetence and unlawful behaviour.
Apart from Trump's ignorance and lying, actually everything about Trump you mentioned is open for debate as far as I'm concerned. But you want to talk about Trump all the time.

Media should not have agenda. It is one thing when you have an opinion, and another thing when you report.

We witnessed and commented together the entire media circus around Kavanaugh, remember? Now, with the benefit of some hindsight, are you quite sure that the media acted solely in the interest of justice and truth? Or was there some agenda after all? The problem is people are so politically charged they don't care any more. You can't say it's OK because it is for a noble, progressive cause, although it involves some twisting of reality and ruining of lives. That is exactly what the communists do.

If I was any of the people who media OKed for character assassination, I would sue their assess each time I'm accused of racism, for example. These are not light accusations. But that word has become very cheap nowadays.
 

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I agree with you on BLM. I do not know why their manifesto is not quoted more often.
It does not really have much to do with police abuse. I think they jumped on the bandwagon. The part that struck me most was that they want to destroy the ‘western" idea of a nuclear family and have all children raised by the community, according to community standards. I do not think many people, of whatever ethnicity, would be in favour of that.

As for me talking about Trump all the time, well this thread is about the next election.

And as for most of my criticisms of Trump being debatable, I don’t agree. There is a mountain of evidence.

When I think back to Kavanaugh, it is not the media I remember, but his senate hearing.
 

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I think BLM has its place and legitimate reasons, their far left tendencies aside. I don't know how it is possible that everyone supports them, though. They supposedly fight the system, and the same system apparently loves them. It just shows that everyone wants to use them for their own purposes. Of course, the agenda that resembles communism is a sure path to nothing except perpetual grievance. Is that the point? I've been reading and thinking a lot about racial issues in the world and in the US lately. I watch a lot of documentaries, too.

As I said before, IMO the right way to change the overall position of black people is economy and education through organized struggle and work. Black owned businesses and quality schools. Only with economic power comes emancipation, confidence and influence. And the racial problems will dwindle with this. People will think twice before commiting any act of aggression or unequal treatment against members of a powerful, influential community. It's just the way of this world. We can talk about how unjust things are, but it is what it is. What you can do with talking, pleading, and kneeling, and printing T-shirts is limited. It's good for getting a pat on the back and eliciting a sympathizing tear from the likes of Bezos. Whose net worth just topped his previous record, and is $171.6 Billion. Good for him, hats off. But I don't think that poor black people need anyone's tears. IMO, they need true leaders, and they need more successful and wealthy black people, who will be ready to give back to the black community.
 

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Based on those discussions, we’ve decided to adopt the change and start using uppercase “Black” to describe people and cultures of African origin, both in the United States and elsewhere. We believe this style best conveys elements of shared history and identity, and reflects our goal to be respectful of all the people and communities we cover.
We will retain lowercase treatment for “white.” While there is an obvious question of parallelism, there has been no comparable movement toward widespread adoption of a new style for “white,” and there is less of a sense that “white” describes a shared culture and history. Moreover, hate groups and white supremacists have long favored the uppercase style, which in itself is reason to avoid it.

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How can you pretend you're fighting racism when all you do is obsessing about ppl's skin color so you can 'properly' label and pinpoint them? American obsession with 'race' (LoL) is pretty disgusting. Not racism means color-blindness, not Im this, Im that therefore I act this or that way.
 

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As I said before, IMO the right way to change the overall position of black people is economy and education through organized struggle and work. Black owned businesses and quality schools. Only with economic power comes emancipation, confidence and influence.
Yes, they should seize the means of production.
 

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"Seize means of production" LoL. As if what happened in the XXth c. with seized means of production in Europe and around the globe had never happened...

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Yes, that is funny. What is Amazon's means of production?

It's delightful how Marxism appears more idiotic with each new year, don't you think?
Workers at Amazon should be in control of their workplace through a cooperative. Democracy! And real economic power.

I was just amused by you having a decent train of thought, but never reaching the station because you have limited yourself by deciding at one point in your life that anything remotely linked to socialism is BAD.
 

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A cooperative is not socialism. It is free association of people. I have nothing against people working together, organizing, cooperating, bettering their status...on the contrary. As long it is their free will and they set the rules themselves, within the existing rule of law.

I am against state mandated "socialism", which is a lie, theft, and violence against freedom. There is nothing in the world more valuable than freedom.

I am suspicious of all governments, even the most transparent and corruption free in the world. Not to mention the other ones. They are beyond any criticism as far as I'm concerned.

But tell me, what do you think about BLM?
 

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Amazon and other non-governmental public and private companies have kept the world afloat during this pandemic, even as many governments have proven themselves to be beyond incompetent. The fact that the global food supply chain has held up is a capitalist miracle.

The contrast between the two is starkest in the US. It boggles the mind that anyone would look at the performance of the CDC and Amazon and say "we need to make Amazon more like the CDC".
 

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Amazon and other non-governmental public and private companies have kept the world afloat during this pandemic, even as many governments have proven themselves to be beyond incompetent. The fact that the global food supply chain has held up is a capitalist miracle.

The contrast between the two is starkest in the US. It boggles the mind that anyone would look at the performance of the CDC and Amazon and say "we need to make Amazon more like the CDC".
Bingo! Exactly.
 

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A cooperative is not socialism. It is free association of people. I have nothing against people working together, organizing, cooperating, bettering their status...on the contrary. As long it is their free will and they set the rules themselves, within the existing rule of law.

I am against state mandated "socialism", which is a lie, theft, and violence against freedom. There is nothing in the world more valuable than freedom.

I am suspicious of all governments, even the most transparent and corruption free in the world. Not to mention the other ones. They are beyond any criticism as far as I'm concerned.

But tell me, what do you think about BLM?
A cooperation is the same as a Soviet and functioned exactly like that in socialist states. But ok, you think that was all state mandated and workers didn't actually have democratic control. At least if you believe in the principle, I don't understand why you didn't advocate for that initially and rather arrived at the conclusion that more Jay-Zs and Obamas need to be thrown at the black community to solve everything.

Having an opinion on BLM as a whole is tricky since they are not centrally organized. It's not a political party, but a big umbrella social movement. So for me, that's a flaw in the end since there is no clear vision on how to achieve their goals. When it comes to race relations, they are completely right. But you can't unite everyone who supports BLM, because they have different interests. I believe that in order to dismantle racism you have to dismantle capitalism. So while someone like Jay-Z may claim to support BLM, he is in fact part of the problem because he will never advocate for that. His class interests outweigh his interest for racial justice. And that's also as far as any corporate support for BLM will go.

But I read something today about football players turning their backs on BLM because their call for the dismantling of capitalism is bothering them, so that's a plus for me ;)
 

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A cooperation is the same as a Soviet and functioned exactly like that in socialist states. But ok, you think that was all state mandated and workers didn't actually have democratic control. At least if you believe in the principle, I don't understand why you didn't advocate for that initially and rather arrived at the conclusion that more Jay-Zs and Obamas need to be thrown at the black community to solve everything.

Having an opinion on BLM as a whole is tricky since they are not centrally organized. It's not a political party, but a big umbrella social movement. So for me, that's a flaw in the end since there is no clear vision on how to achieve their goals. When it comes to race relations, they are completely right. But you can't unite everyone who supports BLM, because they have different interests. I believe that in order to dismantle racism you have to dismantle capitalism. So while someone like Jay-Z may claim to support BLM, he is in fact part of the problem because he will never advocate for that. His class interests outweigh his interest for racial justice. And that's also as far as any corporate support for BLM will go.

But I read something today about football players turning their backs on BLM because their call for the dismantling of capitalism is bothering them, so that's a plus for me ;)
But I did. I say, organized struggle and work - like, true hard work is required. You need leaders and raw models for that. Not to give money, but knowledge, example, direction and organizing skills. But they must be willing to give all that to the community, too. I am not familiar with Jay-Z involvement with the community. Muhammad Ali was a true inspiration, for example. Obama? Let the black community judge his contribution. I would say it was great on a symbolic level, giving confidence to black people, which is still important.

It seems that everyone takes from BLM what they want. It leaves the entire thing completely without the edge. Only some idealistic nonsense that won't do anything good. I don't think this is a coincidence. And that's exactly what I mean - no direction, no leadership, no clear long term goals.
 
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