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Who did you vote for? Or who would you vote for if you were a US citizen?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Minor party candidate or write-in

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of the above - they're all terrible

    Votes: 2 11.8%
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buddyholly is far from being a left radical. He's a centre-right guy, but I wouldn't expect someone who is far right like you to be able to distinguish between the two.
It's the other way around. You are far left and judge everything from that vantage point.
I live in NYC and in NY, full of folks like you, I am indeed considered a right wing type of guy.
But then, on my skiing trips to Wyoming, Utah or even upstate NY, when talking with locals, from their vantage point I am actually called a left wing kind of guy. And that kind of folk is half of America, mind you.
So, yeah, by standards of modern libschizophreny of big cities, I am on the right. But averagely? I am exactly middle of the road moderate. Mostly socially liberal but also anti-progressive. Classic liberal, if we go by original definition of liberalism, which would never consider socialist nutsos like Sanders or AOC as anything even remotely liberal.
 

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It's the other way around. You are far left and judge everything from that vantage point.
I live in NYC and in NY, full of folks like you, I am indeed considered a right wing type of guy.
But then, on my skiing trips to Wyoming, Utah or even upstate NY, when talking with locals, from their vantage point I am actually called a left wing kind of guy. And that kind of folk is half of America, mind you.
So, yeah, by standards of modern libschizophreny of big cities, I am on the right. But averagely? I am exactly middle of the road moderate. Mostly socially liberal but also anti-progressive. Classic liberal, if we go by original definition of liberalism, which would never consider socialist nutsos like Sanders or AOC as anything even remotely liberal.
A middle of the road moderate that supported the lying, corrupt, racist, incompetent, vulgar Trump? Not possible. The two are mutually exclusive.
Revisionism may work in Russia, but not here.
 

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All those adjectives can be used to describe Biden as well.
Every day for four years?

You can hardly be serious. Unless you bought into the Big Lie, of course. Some people still drink the koolaid.
 

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Every day for four years?
Doesn't matter. One can be wolf, the other can be wolf in sheep's clothing. Both are wolves at the end of the day. There's enough evidence for my statement to be true. Biden has decades of political experience. He was fully aware throughout his career how to weasel around and stay in power. The same can be said pretty much about every long term politician. Be it Democrat or Republican.

EDIT: what is the Big Lie? I can provide you material for every single adjective you just wrote that supports my statement.
 

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Doesn't matter. One can be wolf, the other can be wolf in sheep's clothing. Both are wolves at the end of the day. There's enough evidence for my statement to be true. Biden has decades of political experience. He was fully aware throughout his career how to weasel around and stay in power. The same can be said pretty much about every long term politician. Be it Democrat or Republican.

EDIT: what is the Big Lie? I can provide you material for every single adjective you just wrote that supports my statement.
That the election was stolen Is the Big Lie. Surely you can not have avoided knowing that over the past 2 months.

Yes, you will always be able to find something. But nobody else comes anywhere close to the level of living all those adjectives than Trump.
But, I understand, Trump apologists do not want to face that relaity.
 

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That the election was stolen Is the Big Lie. Surely you can not have avoided knowing that over the past 2 months.

Yes, you will always be able to find something. But nobody else comes anywhere close to the level of living all those adjectives than Trump.
If you're really over 70 years old, I find it comical that you use such epithets like 'the Big Lie' to describe something like 'the election was stolen'. You should be wiser.

I don't know much about vans with ballots or some other outlandish claims. But I did recall myself watching the live stream how an insane number of votes surged in favour of Biden. It could be just the way the votes were counted. Who knows?
I know shenanigans did happen with dead people voting and voters using non-existent addresses. Maybe it's a common practice and it didn't have much of an impact on the overall result.

Either way, The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election to me is very telling and very disturbing.

I'm no fan of Trump. He's different and he's terrible in a lot of ways but he's definitely not as bad as media made him out to be.

By the way, did you watch Trump's lawyer's defense in the impeachment trial? He destroyed all those silly narratives and tricks everybody used when cherry picking his statements from various speeches. I reckon the lawyer himself believed that nonsense about Trump saying that neo-nazis are fine people. Until he was preparing for it and saw the whole footage, which is definitely not controversial.
 

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If you're really over 70 years old, I find it comical that you use such epithets like 'the Big Lie' to describe something like 'the election was stolen'. You should be wiser.

I don't know much about vans with ballots or some other outlandish claims. But I did recall myself watching the live stream how an insane number of votes surged in favour of Biden. It could be just the way the votes were counted. Who knows?
I know shenanigans did happen with dead people voting and voters using non-existent addresses. Maybe it's a common practice and it didn't have much of an impact on the overall result.

Either way, The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election to me is very telling and very disturbing.

I'm no fan of Trump. He's different and he's terrible in a lot of ways but he's definitely not as bad as media made him out to be.

By the way, did you watch Trump's lawyer's defense in the impeachment trial? He destroyed all those silly narratives and tricks everybody used when cherry picking his statements from various speeches. I reckon the lawyer himself believed that nonsense about Trump saying that neo-nazis are fine people. Until he was preparing for it and saw the whole footage, which is definitely not controversial.
The Big Lie is now part of the lexicon, just like Watergate. Everybody knows what Watergate means. I did not coin the phrase. Apparently Hitler did.

It has been demonstrated over and over and over again that there was no election fraud of any significance. A few dozen votes here and there. Big blocks of votes come in for Biden in inner city communities, where he sometimes got 80% of the votes.
In short, continuing to allege election fraud, is the Big Lie.
Interestingly the Georgia Secretary of State is on TV right now and just said that after an exhaustive recount of Georgia votes, they found that 2 dead people voted. Not quite the 5,000 that purveyors of the Big Lie claimed.
Are you aware that Trump’s lawyer, the infamous Sydney Bowell, who made false claims of fraud over and over again, now says that no person with any sense would believe a word she says.

By the way, Trump said of the neo-Nazis, "some of them are very fine people." I just listened to his remarks.

I still think, as we will see in the coming years, that Trump is even worse than the media made him out to be.
If you did not see, since losing the Presidency he started a new website. It asked for contributions and with a confusing use of check boxes that the donor had to untick to be safe, he could take recurring contributions out unwary donors’ bank accounts. Some victims got their monthly statement and saw for the first time that he had taken a contribution out of their bank account six times in a single month. So even today, he is still scamming anything that moves.

The Big Lie was so obvious to any sensible person. The plan was for people like Ted Cruz to lie and lie about election fraud, pause for a few days, and then return to say there is so much talk of election fraud that the voters deserve answers. A scam.
 

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By the way, Trump said of the neo-Nazis, "some of them are very fine people." I just listened to his remarks.

I still think, as we will see in the coming years, that Trump is even worse than the media made him out to be.
Listening to the media is how you got to be your age and you still act this way. You never started thinking for youself. It's truly a nice place when you come on over to the right side.
 

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The Big Lie is now part of the lexicon, just like Watergate. Everybody knows what Watergate means. I did not coin the phrase. Apparently Hitler did.

It has been demonstrated over and over and over again that there was no election fraud of any significance. A few dozen votes here and there. Big blocks of votes come in for Biden in inner city communities, where he sometimes got 80% of the votes.
In short, continuing to allege election fraud, is the Big Lie.
Interestingly the Georgia Secretary of State is on TV right now and just said that after an exhaustive recount of Georgia votes, they found that 2 dead people voted. Not quite the 5,000 that purveyors of the Big Lie claimed.
Are you aware that Trump’s lawyer, the infamous Sydney Bowell, who made false claims of fraud over and over again, now says that no person with any sense would believe a word she says.

By the way, Trump said of the neo-Nazis, "some of them are very fine people." I just listened to his remarks.

I still think, as we will see in the coming years, that Trump is even worse than the media made him out to be.
If you did not see, since losing the Presidency he started a new website. It asked for contributions and with a confusing use of check boxes that the donor had to untick to be safe, he could take recurring contributions out unwary donors’ bank accounts. Some victims got their monthly statement and saw for the first time that he had taken a contribution out of their bank account six times in a single month. So even today, he is still scamming anything that moves.

The Big Lie was so obvious to any sensible person. The plan was for people like Ted Cruz to lie and lie about election fraud, pause for a few days, and then return to say there is so much talk of election fraud that the voters deserve answers. A scam.
Sidney Bowell is a loonie who was screaming about servers in Frankfurt being raided and other Q-Anon nonsense. It's Trump's strategic mistake to associate himself with idiots like that and to not denounce Q-Anon completely. I guess he was just looking at them like a voter base. Just like any politician view any other group. It's a popularity contest at the end of the day.

Either way, stop dragging nonsense like this in the argument. I'm noticing a trend of yours. Always the same s***. I never mentioned Bowell. You should be well aware which lawyer I was talking about. Hint: IMPEACHMENT trial.

Trump is a sleaze ball, but it's not uncommon at all to use such practices. Just uncheck the damn boxes.

As for his presidency, obviously he was not as bad. Media fueled the rage focusing on his remarks and tweets. Which were not "presidential", but I don't care about it. I care about the real power a president has to change things around the world. E.g. conflicts. Obama x Biden, and his predecessor Bush, lit the whole fucking world up in the Middle East. Mostly based on lies. What you have after is hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dead people, destroyed historical regions and insurgencies of various terrorist organizations, some of which the same US government armed (ISIS, al-Nusra, etc.) and an immigration crisis here in Europe. Trump was terrible on Iran, he did drop bombs on Syria as well but he's the first president since Carter not to start another conflict and he correctly tried to withdraw troops from Syria and end this nonsense but war criminals like John Bolton prevented him from doing that (clown admitted it in his book).

There's also the persecution of whistleblowers, which was heavily accelerated under Obama x Biden. Of course, Trump did nothing to stop that, so F him too, but I'm just making a point.
 

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As far as Repulicrats or Demopublicans go, pick your poison. One of the main reasons Trump even got elected in 2016 was due to the treatment Sanders got from his party while the entitlement of H. Clinton was there for all to see. The only hope in future politics is for either a legit. third party platform or for some type of consensus coalition of parties.
 

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As far as Repulicrats or Demopublicans go, pick your poison. One of the main reasons Trump even got elected in 2016 was due to the treatment Sanders got from his party while the entitlement of H. Clinton was there for all to see. The only hope in future politics is for either a legit. third party platform or for some type of consensus coalition of parties.
Finally...It's funny how everybody that hates Trump (plenty of reasons to do that, but I mean the nonsensical, media talking points fueled reasons), forgets why he was elected in the first place. He's a symptom. The disease is everything before him.

P.S. Sanders is a grifter as well. He got shafted by the party yet kept playing his role and endorsed Clinton, Biden, Harris while screaming tax the billionaires, tax the billionaires.
 

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Listening to the media is how you got to be your age and you still act this way. You never started thinking for youself. It's truly a nice place when you come on over to the right side.
I was listening to Trump talking on a media outlet.
I guess you must follow him around in order to hear every word of his directly from the horse’s mouth. How do you have any idea what Trump says, as opposed to what the media say he said?
 

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Sidney Bowell is a loonie who was screaming about servers in Frankfurt being raided and other Q-Anon nonsense. It's Trump's strategic mistake to associate himself with idiots like that and to not denounce Q-Anon completely. I guess he was just looking at them like a voter base. Just like any politician view any other group. It's a popularity contest at the end of the day.

Either way, stop dragging nonsense like this in the argument. I'm noticing a trend of yours. Always the same s***. I never mentioned Bowell. You should be well aware which lawyer I was talking about. Hint: IMPEACHMENT trial.

Trump is a sleaze ball, but it's not uncommon at all to use such practices. Just uncheck the damn boxes.

As for his presidency, obviously he was not as bad. Media fueled the rage focusing on his remarks and tweets. Which were not "presidential", but I don't care about it. I care about the real power a president has to change things around the world. E.g. conflicts. Obama x Biden, and his predecessor Bush, lit the whole fucking world up in the Middle East. Mostly based on lies. What you have after is hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dead people, destroyed historical regions and insurgencies of various terrorist organizations, some of which the same US government armed (ISIS, al-Nusra, etc.) and an immigration crisis here in Europe. Trump was terrible on Iran, he did drop bombs on Syria as well but he's the first president since Carter not to start another conflict and he correctly tried to withdraw troops from Syria and end this nonsense but war criminals like John Bolton prevented him from doing that (clown admitted it in his book).

There's also the persecution of whistleblowers, which was heavily accelerated under Obama x Biden. Of course, Trump did nothing to stop that, so F him too, but I'm just making a point.
I mentioned Sydney Bowell in relation to Trump’s election fraud scam. since we were talking about the Big Lie, it seemed relevant.

And I referred to the impeachment trial by stating that I listened to a recording of Trump saying that some of the neo-Nazi marchers were very fine people.
 

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I mentioned Sydney Bowell in relation to Trump’s election fraud scam. since we were talking about the Big Lie, it seemed relevant.

And I referred to the impeachment trial by stating that I listened to a recording of Trump saying that some of the neo-Nazi marchers were very fine people.

Are you serious? This is as level-headed as Trump can be. Not every single person in that march was neo-Nazi. Not every Southerner is neo-Nazi. Not every counter protester was there to indulge in violence as well. Not every BLM protester is an opportunist who burns private property. This is the whole point. Trump correctly and professionally I might say (definitely you don't see him always like that) points that and his arguments are very strong here (Washington was a slave owner and nobody topples his statues). He even says "and I'm not talking about white supremacists and neo-Nazis. They should be condemned". What else do you need? Plus, the march was legal. Period.

Fair enough on Sidney Powell (Bowell lol, you got me), but I never listened to anybody covering the election fraud question who were in favour of that woman. People shouldn't pay attention to somebody like her who are there to just muddy the water. Whatever your opinions are.
 

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Are you serious? This is as level-headed as Trump can be. Not every single person in that march was neo-Nazi. Not every Southerner is neo-Nazi. Not every counter protester was there to indulge in violence as well. Not every BLM protester is an opportunist who burns private property. This is the whole point. Trump correctly and professionally I might say (definitely you don't see him always like that) points that and his arguments are very strong here (Washington was a slave owner and nobody topples his statues). He even says "and I'm not talking about white supremacists and neo-Nazis. They should be condemned". What else do you need? Plus, the march was legal. Period.

Fair enough on Sidney Powell (Bowell lol, you got me), but I never listened to anybody covering the election fraud question who were in favour of that woman. People shouldn't pay attention to somebody like her who are there to just muddy the water. Whatever your opinions are.
I don’t see much level-headedness there, he just makes up what he wants you to hear.
‘The funny part of that video is that he made the "***********" hand signal at least 14 times.

Once again, Powell was used by Trump because she was willing to spout libel that Trump knew would be the incitement tool he needed to get his base angry enough to organize a terrorist attack. She wasn’t just a figure of fun.
She should be disbarred.
(you know why I call her Sydney Bowell, right?)
 

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I don’t see much level-headedness there, he just mskes up what he wants you to hear.
‘The funny part of that video is that he made the "***" hand signal at least 14 times.

Once again, Powell was used by Trump because she was willing to spout libel that Trump knew would be the incitement tool he needed to get his base angry enough to organize a terrorist attack. She wasn’t just a figure of fun.
She should be disbarred
Ok...What is that hand sign? Please, reveal it.
 

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Ok...What is that hand sign? Please, reveal it.
Take your right hand, make a circle with your thumb and index finger, then hold up your palm facing you. You see the letters WP, ***********. (To display it to others, you would of course naturally have the back of your hand facing you.)

Doesn’t matter whether Trump actually knew he was doing it, the point is white nationalists have been using it since 2017, through the Trump administration. And many Trumpers actually believe he is sending them a message. Roger Stone likes to use it. Navy cadets at a football game used it en masse. Three policemen were fired for using it. Brendan Torrant, the guy who killed 51 Muslims in New Zealand, used it in his police photo.
Ironically it was started by conspiracy theory website 4chan as a joke on the media. But so many white nationalists were fooled into thinking it was real, that it quickly became an actual *********** signal.
 

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WOW, hard to believe that MTF will not let you read the two words that WP stand for!

I wonder if it is equally censoring the two words that BP stands for.......black power.
 
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