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1977 Vilas vs 1977 Connors, who should be year-end NO.1?

  • Vilas (16 titles including Roland Garros & US Open + 6 runners-up including Australian Open-Jan.)

    Votes: 41 87.2%
  • Connors (7 titles including Masters + 6 runners-up including Wimbledon & US Open)

    Votes: 6 12.8%

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Vilas in 1977

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=1977&player=V028&selTournament=0&prevtrnnum=0

Australian Open (Jan.) : F
Roland Garros : W
Wimbledon : R32
US Open : W
Australian Open (Dec.) : DNP
Masters : SF

Titles / Runners-up : 16 / 6
Win-Loss : 128-14 * (non-ATP source claims 145-14)
Year-End Ranking : 2




Connors in 1977

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=1977&player=C044&selTournament=0&prevtrnnum=0

Australian Open (Jan.) : DNP
Roland Garros : DNP
Wimbledon : F
US Open : F
Australian Open (Dec.) : DNP
Masters : W

Titles / Runners-up : 7/ 6
Win-Loss : 64-13
Year-End Ranking : 1
 

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Why not Borg included? I agree Vilas ahead of Connors but Borg ahead of both of them.

1977-

1.Borg
2.Vilas
3.Connors


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Why not Borg included? I agree Vilas ahead of Connors but Borg ahead of both of them.

1977-

1.Borg
2.Vilas
3.Connors


:) :devil: :wavey:

I think

Australian (Jan.) Finalist + Roland Garros Winner + US Open Winner > Wimbledon Winner > Wimbledon Finalist + US Open Finalist


Counting titles other than Grand Slam,

Vilas > Borg > Connors, so, result is obvious ......

Connors was so-called official NO.1, but Vilas's achievement showed that he could challenge over Connors' NO.1 honour.
 

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Borg 3-0 Vilas for the season, including a win in the semis of the Masters. Vilas lost in the final of Australia start of the year, to Tanner, and had a 3r defeat at Wimbledon. To Billy Martin.

Borg won 11 events that year himself, obviously more selective in his schedule than Vilas, didn't play as many soft tournaments.:)

Borg would have been a big favourite to beat Vilas at RG. Borg whooped Vilas in their clay court meetings just prior to RG. Borg missed RG due to World Team Tennis. Not Vilas' fault, he did what he had to do. Still doesn't take away that Borg was no.1 on clay and a clear favourite for RG.

Vilas never beat Borg in a GS event.

Vilas 'lucky' Borg missed RG in 77.

Borg superior all surface player to Vilas in 77 or any other year for that matter.


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Borg would have been a big favourite to beat Vilas at RG. Borg whooped Vilas in their clay court meetings just prior to RG. Borg missed RG due to World Team Tennis. Not Vilas' fault, he did what he had to do. Still doesn't take away that Borg was no.1 on clay and a clear favourite for RG.
would have been, could have been, are irrelevant.

Borg was better than Vilas. But Vilas had the best results in 1977 and deserved to be the #1 in the ranking.

Vilas won 7 titles in a row (including the US Open, beating Connors in the final), then he decided to retire (and put an end to his record of consecutive wins) in the final of Aix en Provence, because of the weird racket Nastase was using (racket that was later forbidden), and then won 5 more titles in a row, to lose in the semifinal of the Masters against Borg... simply amazing.
 

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would have been, could have been, are irrelevant.

Borg was better than Vilas. But Vilas had the best results in 1977 and deserved to be the #1 in the ranking.

Vilas won 7 titles in a row (including the US Open, beating Connors in the final), then he decided to retire (and put an end to his record of consecutive wins) in the final of Aix en Provence, because of the weird racket Nastase was using (racket that was later forbidden), and then won 5 more titles in a row, to lose in the semifinal of the Masters against Borg... simply amazing.

Borg 3-0 Vilas. Wimbledon Champion. Beat Vilas in Nice and Monte Carlo and again in the Masters. Just because Vilas won 2 GS that year does not automatically make Vilas deserving of no.1. A row of 7 tournaments does not necessarily either. If Vilas chose to retire against Nastase, that was up to him as well, minor tournament towards the end of the season. Vilas may have been feeling some effects of too much tennis.

A very good run for Vilas in 77 and he was without doubt a very good/ great player. But still not no.1 in many people's minds. And the rankings said no as well.
 

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Borg 3-0 Vilas for the season, including a win in the semis of the Masters. Vilas lost in the final of Australia start of the year, to Tanner, and had a 3r defeat at Wimbledon. To Billy Martin.

Borg won 11 events that year himself, obviously more selective in his schedule than Vilas, didn't play as many soft tournaments.:)

Borg would have been a big favourite to beat Vilas at RG. Borg whooped Vilas in their clay court meetings just prior to RG. Borg missed RG due to World Team Tennis. Not Vilas' fault, he did what he had to do. Still doesn't take away that Borg was no.1 on clay and a clear favourite for RG.

Vilas never beat Borg in a GS event.

Vilas 'lucky' Borg missed RG in 77.

Borg superior all surface player to Vilas in 77 or any other year for that matter.


;)


Nadal 4-1 Federer (all in Finals), but Federer is still NO.1 in 2006. :)
 

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Borg 3-0 Vilas. Wimbledon Champion. Beat Vilas in Nice and Monte Carlo and again in the Masters. Just because Vilas won 2 GS that year does not automatically make Vilas deserving of no.1. A row of 7 tournaments does not necessarily either. If Vilas chose to retire against Nastase, that was up to him as well, minor tournament towards the end of the season. Vilas may have been feeling some effects of too much tennis.

A very good run for Vilas in 77 and he was without doubt a very good/ great player. But still not no.1 in many people's minds. And the rankings said no as well.
Vilas was runner-up of grass-surface Australian Open-Jan. :)
 

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Borg 3-0 Vilas for the season, including a win in the semis of the Masters. Vilas lost in the final of Australia start of the year, to Tanner, and had a 3r defeat at Wimbledon. To Billy Martin.

Borg won 11 events that year himself, obviously more selective in his schedule than Vilas, didn't play as many soft tournaments.:)

Borg would have been a big favourite to beat Vilas at RG. Borg whooped Vilas in their clay court meetings just prior to RG. Borg missed RG due to World Team Tennis. Not Vilas' fault, he did what he had to do. Still doesn't take away that Borg was no.1 on clay and a clear favourite for RG.

Vilas never beat Borg in a GS event.

Vilas 'lucky' Borg missed RG in 77.

Borg superior all surface player to Vilas in 77 or any other year for that matter.


;)

Lendl also never beat Borg in a GS event
 

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Vilas showed that he can play well in grass.

Don't forget his 1978 and 1979 title :)

Yes, I know, Vilas could play on grass when he wanted, but the top players, Borg, Connors and others were absent. The Australian Open was a weak event in the late '70's. Have you seen the fields? Vilas was the only top 10 player to play the 1979 Australian Open.

Top 8 seeds 1979 Australian Open-

1.Vilas
2.Alexander
3.Amaya
4.Pfister
5.Taroczy
6.Sadri
7.Wilkison
8.Feigl.

No Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Gerulaitis, Tanner.

Really, a poor field for a GS.

The true test of grass court tennis then was Wimbledon, and Vilas had an average Wimbledon record for a good player.


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would have been, could have been, are irrelevant.

Borg was better than Vilas. But Vilas had the best results in 1977 and deserved to be the #1 in the ranking.

Vilas won 7 titles in a row (including the US Open, beating Connors in the final), then he decided to retire (and put an end to his record of consecutive wins) in the final of Aix en Provence, because of the weird racket Nastase was using (racket that was later forbidden), and then won 5 more titles in a row, to lose in the semifinal of the Masters against Borg... simply amazing.
Yes, I know, Vilas could play on grass when he wanted, but the top players, Borg, Connors and others were absent. The Australian Open was a weak event in the late '70's. Have you seen the fields? Vilas was the only top 10 player to play the 1979 Australian Open.

Top 8 seeds 1979 Australian Open-

1.Vilas
2.Alexander
3.Amaya
4.Pfister
5.Taroczy
6.Sadri
7.Wilkison
8.Feigl.

No Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Gerulaitis, Tanner.

Really, a poor field for a GS.

The true test of grass court tennis then was Wimbledon, and Vilas had an average Wimbledon record for a good player.


:)


Borg, Connors and McEnroe playing didn't mean one of them must win.

Serve-and-Volleyer McEncore still lost to Claycourt Expert Baseliner Wilander in grass Australian Open.

At least Vilas entered 3 times of GS final (2 winners) in 1977 :cool:
 

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Borg, Connors and McEnroe playing didn't mean they must win.

Serve-and-Volley McEncore still lost to Baseliner Wilander in grass Australian Open.

At least Vilas entered 3 times of GS final (2 winners) in 1977 :cool:

Agree, maybe none of them would have won, but if Borg, Connors and McEnroe had played, the event would have had more credibility. Not even Tanner or Gerulaitis? Come on, Tennis Grand Slam. :D

One top 10 player in the event? The Australian Open in the late 70's/ early 80's was a significantly weaker event than the others and you know it really. Only you can't admit it now.

Vilas played well in 77, no dispute. Borg no.1 for me though.

Now, Wilander was a good player and beat better players than Vilas did to win his Australian Opens. The AO was stronger when Wilander won it.

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Agree, maybe none of them would have won, but if Borg, Connors and McEnroe had played, the event would have had more credibility. Not even Tanner or Gerulaitis? Come on, Tennis Grand Slam. :D

One top 10 player in the event? The Australian Open in the late 70's/ early 80's was a significantly weaker event than the others and you know it really. Only you can't admit it now.

Vilas played well in 77, no dispute. Borg no.1 for me though.

Now, Wilander was a good player and beat better players than Vilas did to win his Australian Opens. The AO was stronger when Wilander won it.

:cool:

Borg's NO. 1 should be in 78-80.

77 belonged to Vilas :)
 

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with the current system, Vilas finished NO. 1 in '77. That's all we are discussing here... not who was the best.

There is no doubt that Borg and Connors were better than him.
 

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Give it a rest, Vilas was no.2 in 1977, get over it!

The current system? So what? That wasn't the system in 77, end of discussion.



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