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B Game , B game, B game.

That's all it takes to win. It's almost stupid that the Big 3's B game is enough to win 15+ slams

There have been so many talented, techincally sound players in the past 17 years, but the Big 3 make them look like choking, challenger level players.... The big guys worst level is still good enough to make a final and the moment they step into A gear there is nothing the opponent can do. Its even worse when they are at A level the whole match, then it's a 3 set beat down. Imagine you play so well against all of your opponents and feel really good about your game and then you have to face Djokovic at B level... you are barely hanging in there with him and then all of the sudden he hits one clutch backhand passing shot and the match is basically over.

Once every year, maybe your shots dont miss and you happen to get a C level Big 3 and the match still goes the distance and you win in the tiebreaker or you still find a way to lose it because of the aura that the legend across the net exudes.

This has been rehashed again and again, but it's been 17 years or hardship for anyone in the Top 5 - Top 1000. You just get denied all opportunities to win...

I really feel for the rest of the tour and their inability to win even when they are at 100%.

What do you think MTF?
 
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Well, Tomic was 18 when he played Wimbledon QF and he gave Novak a real scare then, if he kept building on that who knows, but he decided it's easier and much more fun to party than to toil away in the sun. Kyrgios would rather play basketball, Dimitrov would rather be a diva and screw hot girls (can't blame him tho) and so on. Many speak of the Big 3's results, but it doesn't often get mentioned the unreal amount of work and dedication they go though in order to get those results.
 

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Dimitrov is completely invested in tennis and doing anything he can to get better. Anything else is a myth at this point.
 

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Well, Tomic was 18 when he played Wimbledon QF and he gave Novak a real scare then, if he kept building on that who knows, but he decided it's easier and much more fun to party than to toil away in the sun. Kyrgios would rather play basketball, Dimitrov would rather be a diva and screw hot girls (can't blame him tho) and so on. Many speak of the Big 3's results, but it doesn't often get mentioned the unreal amount of work and dedication they go though in order to get those results.
Yes I understand the hard work they put in, but still the B level game is mighty impressive.

The B level for half the tour is piss poor and yeah they dont put in the same dedication, but there are still guys like Ferrer, RBA, Del Potro, Berdych , etc who put in all the hours, but it makes no difference
 

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It's not easy to face a guy that has winning rate of 83% (Nole and Rafa, Roger is about 82, if I'm correct), meaning he's losing one match out of seven... Even on D game, it is always somewhere in the corners of one's mind, and there is always a question - if somehow I get a match point, could I make it for real? Am I the seventh (the chosen one), or one of the six to bite the dust? One unforced error later, it's as it is...
 

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It's not easy to face a guy that has winning rate of 83% (Nole and Rafa, Roger is about 82, if I'm correct), meaning he's losing one match out of seven... Even on D game, it is always somewhere in the corners of one's mind, and there is always a question - if somehow I get a match point, could I make it for real? Am I the seventh (the chosen one), or one of the six to bite the dust? One unforced error later, it's as it is...
Exactly, even at 100% you still have a chance to lose. I'm not sure if there is a stat but I bet the Big 3 have won a bunch of matches where they should have lost, due to their opponent blinking and realizing they had a chance to win....
 

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That’s actually depressing not only for the players but for the fans of those who support other than the BIG3.
 

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Well I can understand it may appear boring for some but it is about to finish anyhow.....

Tsitsipas Medvedev or Rublev will have a long Career without them.

That said what those 3 have achieved, despite sharing a big part of the same Era, is something which probably never happens again in the History of Tennis so just respect and let them finish the couple of last years they have to play.
 

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That’s actually depressing not only for the players but for the fans of those who support other than the BIG3.
Well I can understand it may appear boring for some but it is about to finish anyhow.....

Tsitsipas Medvedev or Rublev will have a long Career without them.

That said what those 3 have achieved, despite sharing a big part of the same Era, is something which probably never happens again in the History of Tennis so just respect and let them finish the couple of last years they have to play.
I'm not even sure if it is a couple of years. Djokovic is basically Federer 2014 at this point, so he could keep on going if everything falls into place.
 

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Yes I understand the hard work they put in, but still the B level game is mighty impressive.

The B level for half the tour is piss poor and yeah they dont put in the same dedication, but there are still guys like Ferrer, RBA, Del Potro, Berdych , etc who put in all the hours, but it makes no difference
Ferrer had an excellent career, spent a lot of time in top 5, so don't think he has any regrets. Del Potro kept getting injured, so that's another story and RBA is not exactly a big stage player, can lose to anyone. Berdych is the only one there with a good chance to win something if not for the Big 3.
 

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Ferrer had an excellent career, spent a lot of time in top 5, so don't think he has any regrets. Del Potro kept getting injured, so that's another story and RBA is not exactly a big stage player, can lose to anyone. Berdych is the only one there with a good chance to win something if not for the Big 3.

I just quoted 12 people I didn't mean to lol.

It's not regrets thought but basically just not being able to do enough against the big 3. No matter what you do. Ferrer had an illustrious career but could never pull the trigger on winning against Big 3
 

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I'm not even sure if it is a couple of years. Djokovic is basically Federer 2014 at this point, so he could keep on going if everything falls into place.
Hopefully without only winning just 3 more and losing couple of finals against his Kryptonite (Wawrinka is long past his slam winning form by this time around).
So Djokovic could become a Rosewall at this point, winning majors even at age 36-37.
With or without his A game.

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Hopefully without only winning just 3 more and losing couple of finals against his Kryptonite (Wawrinka is long past his slam winning form by this time around).
So Djokovic could become a Rosewall at this point, winning majors even at age 36-37.
With or without his A game.

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Wawrinka appeared for about 20 seconds, in the last minute of 2019 US Open.

He has no competition outside of peaking Nadal on Clay. Nextgen is clueless, as is the rest of the tour. He is at the same age of Federer the good news for him is he doesn't have to deal with peaking Djokovic in his later 30's as Federer did in 2014-2015, so it's only up to him to define what levels of greatness he will reach
 

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Wawrinka appeared for about 20 seconds, in the last minute of 2019 US Open
Wawrinka lost meekly against a mediocre Medvedev in USO QF. Enough said.
If Djokovic could have served properly in R4 the match would have been much, much different.
 

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I'm not even sure if it is a couple of years. Djokovic is basically Federer 2014 at this point, so he could keep on going if everything falls into place.
Even if Rafa and Nole can deal aging easier because they can copy what Federer did (kind of more aggressive game to shorten rallies) at some extend (they have different skills so they are copying the idea not the shot range), I guess attack is not natural for them and their body can suffer from those changes...
I am not sure they can reach same longevity but I may be wrong.
 

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This proves weak era. Since early 00s till now(2020s) full of quality less tennis players, where big 3 dominated against a weak playing field, despite being limited players themselves.
 

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This proves weak era. Since early 00s till now(2020s) full of quality less tennis players, where big 3 dominated against a weak playing field, despite being limited players themselves.
You say BIG3 are limited. And which player from your „golden” era wasn’t limited?
Sampras? Had poor defense so that he reached only 1 SF at slow courts of RG.
Agassi? His serve was mediocre and was not good enough at the net hence poor results on grass.
Becker? He was a glorified serve bot with no proper baseline game.
Lendl? I admire his efforts to win Wimbledon but was not craft enough at serve and vollying to have a chance there...
 

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You say BIG3 are limited. And which player from your „golden” era wasn’t limited?
Sampras? Had poor defense so that he reached only 1 SF at slow courts of RG.
Agassi? His serve was mediocre and was not good enough at the net hence poor results on grass.
Becker? He was a glorified serve bot with no proper baseline game.
Lendl? I admire his efforts to win Wimbledon but was not craft enough at serve and vollying to have a chance there...
Sampras didn't have a poor defense. He was able to rally well from the baseline. But he had a medical condition where he court sustain long amounts of rallies for a long time. His fitness was an issue because of the medical conditions. So he wasn't interested in rallying. Hence he became a serve and volley player.

Agassi serve was average because of his height, 5'10 can only make you serve so much. The big 3 are all 6 feet tall. Plus the courts in Wimbledon back then were very fast, and field was loaded with grass, and serve and volley specialists. With 16 seed draws . Even smaller tournaments had B05 finals.

Same could be said about Lendl. In these slow Wimbledon courts and lack of decent grass players over the oast 20 years, Lendl and Agassi would've won several Wimbledons. And the big 3 much less back in the 80s and 90s.

And you didn't even mention players like McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Edberg, etc.
Federer's game is based on Edbergs.
 

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Sampras didn't have a poor defense. He was able to rally well from the baseline. But he had a medical condition where he court sustain long amounts of rallies for a long time. His fitness was an issue because of the medical conditions. So he wasn't interested in rallying. Hence he became a serve and volley player.

Agassi serve was average because of his height, 5'10 can only make you serve so much. The big 3 are all 6 feet tall. Plus the courts in Wimbledon back then were very fast, and field was loaded with grass, and serve and volley specialists. With 16 seed draws . Even smaller tournaments had B05 finals.

Same could be said about Lendl. In these slow Wimbledon courts and lack of decent grass players over the oast 20 years, Lendl and Agassi would've won several Wimbledons. And the big 3 much less back in the 80s and 90s.

And you didn't even mention players like McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Edberg, etc.
Federer's game is based on Edbergs.
I didn’t mention Connors, Borg and JMac cause that was too long ago and they played ancient tennis with wooden rackets. Also they were all too short to have any chance to be competitive in the current era.
As for Edberg - I loved his game which was beautiful, he was probably the best volleyer of all time.
But I’m not sure his FH was as great as it should to be considered a player without limits.
 
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