Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs? - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 03-28-2007, 08:18 PM   #1
country flag R.Federer
Registered User
 
R.Federer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 8,821
R.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond repute
Default Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Hi Everyone

So what do you make of Roger's last two defeats? Surface + early round + Opponent quality (ranked lower than should be because of time out of tour)? Or do you think there is some genuine lack of interest or less competitiveness or something else with Roger that is going to carry through for many other tournaments?
__________________
He's here!!!!
Details at http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=132151
R.Federer is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 03-28-2007, 08:23 PM   #2
country flag rofe
Registered User
 
rofe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,783
rofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond reputerofe has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.Federer View Post
Hi Everyone

So what do you make of Roger's last two defeats? Surface + early round + Opponent quality (ranked lower than should be because of time out of tour)? Or do you think there is some genuine lack of interest or less competitiveness or something else with Roger that is going to carry through for many other tournaments?
Since we have no idea what is going through Roger's mind all we can do is look at stats. The stats indicate that this is a temporary blip.

I find it amusing however that Blake, Misha, Birdman, Fed and Nalby are going through a slump at the same time.
__________________
Need ideas for a new signature...
rofe is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 08:31 PM   #3
country flag ExpectedWinner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,610
ExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

We'll find out in a few years. If you look at Sampras' record, you'll notice that after winning AO 2007 he couldn't win a non- grass Slam until the very end.
ExpectedWinner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 08:51 PM   #4
country flag DONADANG
Registered User
 
DONADANG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 310
DONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond reputeDONADANG has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rofe View Post
I find it amusing however that Blake, Misha, Birdman, Fed and Nalby are going through a slump at the same time.
Don't forget Fena!
__________________
ROGER ANDY MARAT LLEYTON
DONADANG is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 08:53 PM   #5
country flag ExpectedWinner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,610
ExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DONADANG View Post
Don't forget Fena!
His slump is understandable. He's having a GS' runner up blues.
ExpectedWinner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 09:05 PM   #6
country flag Eden
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
Eden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Age: 38
Posts: 21,226
Eden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond reputeEden has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

It's to early to say something about this. He had a few close matches last year as well (Rochus in Halle, Suzuki in Tokyo, Srichaphan in Basel, Roddick in Shanghai), who could all have went the way down. With Halle and Toronto he had two tournaments where he didn't played high quality stuff, but he was back in excellent shape when he needed it - at the GS.

Rogers last year was outstanding and couldn't we really expect that he would be able to defend all the points he had collected?

At the moment I tend to believe that Canas is a bad matchup for Roger, who doesn't like to play against these kind of players. I'm pretty sure team Federer will analyze the matches against Canas precisely.

We can only speculate whether Roger is already in the claycourtseason with his thoughts and preparation for it. His focus will be on the GS and the best of 5 modus really suits him well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rofe View Post
I find it amusing however that Blake, Misha, Birdman, Fed and Nalby are going through a slump at the same time.
Don't forget Fena. It's too bad that they take their time off right now when they are desperately needed
Eden is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 11:02 PM   #7
country flag R.Federer
Registered User
 
R.Federer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 8,821
R.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond reputeR.Federer has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Do any of you think that these other things, like time hanging out with Tiger Woods, or greater commitment to media exposure, to advertisements, to various things, they play some role in reducing his focus?

Canas, a very high quality opponent. But Roger has not lost back to back since he lost to Rafael. It is unfortunate to go out of the hard court season with a 50% record in championship wins (How absurd that sounds --but those are his standards) especially going out before QFs. Anyway, clay is not his best chance but maybe he too is preserving himself for the clay season.

Good luck to Roger Federer!
__________________
He's here!!!!
Details at http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=132151
R.Federer is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 02:01 AM   #8
country flag TenHound
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,757
TenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond reputeTenHound has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

If he had 12 UE's that's one thing. 51 UE's, however, is an Implosion. It's causes & duration we have no way of knowing. I never had any doubt that each moment we relished of Roger's unsurpassed brilliance was a precious & precarious gift to the Universe, that could perish as mysteriously as it arrived.

Who knows. This is Roger's Borg Moment, but he's wired up very differently, so we'll just have to see. Perhaps he never seriously tested his new racquet on slow courts or very windy conditions. Perhaps in going for more control under optimum conditions, he sacrificed some of the flexibility that allowed him to have just enough control in windy conditions. Or...one can think of several other possibilities, but one thing is fairly certain - I fear something has shifted in his universe.

Hopefully, he'll figure out the problem quickly & be able to rectify it. In the meantime the kids are gaining confidence by leaps & bounds each week.
TenHound is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 10:52 AM   #9
country flag Rommella
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 752
Rommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond reputeRommella has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.Federer View Post
Do any of you think that these other things, like time hanging out with Tiger Woods, or greater commitment to media exposure, to advertisements, to various things, they play some role in reducing his focus?

Canas, a very high quality opponent. But Roger has not lost back to back since he lost to Rafael. It is unfortunate to go out of the hard court season with a 50% record in championship wins (How absurd that sounds --but those are his standards) especially going out before QFs. Anyway, clay is not his best chance but maybe he too is preserving himself for the clay season.

Good luck to Roger Federer!
I think, in some way, the non-tennis stuff took away a bit of the focus. Although it may not have been to the extent of Serena's Hollywood hob-nobbing, still those stuff took away time that he could have spent in practice, conditioning or just plain decompressing.
Rommella is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 11:55 AM   #10
country flag TheMightyFed
Registered User
 
TheMightyFed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in space
Posts: 2,490
TheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond reputeTheMightyFed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

I think it is more some mental lassitude after winning so much, this is very understandable, and the contrary would be suprising. If we look at very dominant players from the past, Borg was burn out at 26, Lendl went on because he lost many slam finals early in his career and pursued his Wimbledon dream, Sampras was able to pull up big wins in slams thanks to his monster serve on fast surfaces. Roger has had some crazy domination on all surfaces (ok, 2nd dominator on clay) and all kinds of tournament. Less dominant players like Connors, Mac and Wilander had some kind of burn out. I think we underestimate the amount of pressure, emotionnally and physically, that Fed must face. We see the first signs of this lassitude, it is a message his mind and body send to say "let me lose early in tournaments", "let me be a bit normal".

It's amazing how we get used to the unusal, and Fed is the best example. It's healthy in the long run for him to have some failures, some imperfections. This is when you regroup, you assess your capabilities, you put things in perspective. It will be a way to give more value and flavour to future successes. I see these two losses back to back as a pressure reliever and just a trip back to reality. Last year was insane results wise, and the 2 years before were crazy. It's better to lose a couple of matches against Canas than to leave tennis after a slam final, without any fire or focus at 26, like Borg. I don't feel such lack of motivation in Fed words, but more some unconsious desire to be a mortal human.
__________________
"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."

Last edited by TheMightyFed : 03-29-2007 at 01:21 PM.
TheMightyFed is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 01:05 PM   #11
country flag yanchr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,468
yanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond reputeyanchr has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

I don't see a lack of interest or motivation, especially with the big goal this year he expects or hopes to achieve.

I think, with all the records, Grand Slam, GOAT talk from the media, he is a little bit carried away and gets a bit self-conceited. Many of us are. It's actually natural to think that way--like he said, he expected to win tonight (against Canas in Miami). When you have won too much, and too much praise poured on you, every human being will get a bit of the feeling of "flying in the sky" and forget he is still standing on the ground or should be. And you even can't blame it. I think his showing of lack of patience in the second loss is an evidence to this. All the off-court commercial or personal stuff is another evidence.

Besides the obvious match-up thing and other technical things (which I'm not an expert in), we can see that he still plays great tennis. For some parts of the last match, I think he was playing even better than AO semi, which is very impressive. I bet at the beginning of the 3rd set, nobody would expect him to lose it in the end. He totally outplayed Canas with his brilliant and beautiful game.

The two consecutive losses, in my eyes, shouldn't be a signal of his going-down ever since. NO WAY. They should act as a wake-up call to him and all of us that he is only human, he can lose any time, he should still work very hard to earn the win and don't take everything for granted.

Roger is a very wise person, not only in tennis but in the way he looks at things. He has a very clear mind to figure out problems and get them right again. Remember after 05AO, which in my eyes is and will always be the biggest loss in his career, and he bounced back with winning four titles in a row. We have no reason to think he will go down all the way from now, though if his game is good enough to beat Nadal on clay and then to claim RG is another issue here.

This is what Murray said when asked to comment on his loss:

Quote:
Q. What is the general feeling in the locker room with Federer losing the second successful time in the Masters Series? Is there a general feeling that maybe his aura of invincibility is fading away a little bit?

ANDY MURRAY: I've never said that he was invincible. It is possible to beat him, you just have to hope that he doesn't play his best, and you play a really good match. I haven't spoken to too many of the players about it, but it probably does give you a feeling that you will have a chance at winning against him.
But he's been on such a great run that there's going to come a time when he didn't play his best two tournaments in a row, and I'm sure he'll be fired up for the clay court season now and go work hard on his game and be back better than ever.
I think Murray hit the point.
yanchr is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 01:39 PM   #12
country flag nobama
287 Baby!
 
nobama's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jony Ive's design cave
Posts: 19,795
nobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond reputenobama has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rommella View Post
I think, in some way, the non-tennis stuff took away a bit of the focus. Although it may not have been to the extent of Serena's Hollywood hob-nobbing, still those stuff took away time that he could have spent in practice, conditioning or just plain decompressing.
I think using the term non-tennis is to vague. What exactly are you referring to?

None of us are really privy to Roger's time away from the court. Yes we see the few times he's hanging out with Tiger Woods, attending fashion week in New York or going to India for Unicef. But for the most part we have no idea what he does when he's not playing. So to say he's not spending enough time practicing or conditioning is unfair, IMO.
__________________




Thank you Nick for taking out the trash at Wimbledon!
nobama is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 01:43 PM   #13
country flag bokehlicious
♥ eve ♥
 
bokehlicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 39,765
bokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond reputebokehlicious has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mirkaland View Post
So to say he's not spending enough time practicing or conditioning is unfair, IMO.
Plus Roger said he was well prepared and was feeling good. Why would he lie about that ? .shrug:
__________________
Proud Supporter of Federer & Djokovic
bokehlicious is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 03:11 PM   #14
country flag ExpectedWinner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,610
ExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JMPower View Post
Plus Roger said he was well prepared and was feeling good. Why would he lie about that ? .shrug:
It's not lying. Usually top athletes don't let the whole world to know all the truth about their injures/conditioning/preparation.

I can't prove it, but my feeling is he was in better physical shape last year (March-June 2006).

Last edited by ExpectedWinner : 03-29-2007 at 03:21 PM.
ExpectedWinner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007, 03:30 PM   #15
country flag ExpectedWinner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,610
ExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond reputeExpectedWinner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Temporary Blip or Worrying Signs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TenHound View Post
If he had 12 UE's that's one thing. 51 UE's, however, is an Implosion.
He's had a lot of matches with 40-50 UE over the last 3 incredible years. But the timing of those errors is more important than the total count. They came in crucial moments, it's a bit of a worry.
ExpectedWinner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios