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Old 02-13-2007, 03:53 PM   #16
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doesn't matter where it comes from...
well, since it comes from a forum where they follow this situation more closely, and actually watched the game, then it does matter.

plus some incorrectly said journalist, anyway I agree that Massu should not of played on Sunday, in fact Capdeville was chosen to play on sunday, but apperantly Massu threw a fit and he came out to play when it was decided that Capdeville would play...
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Old 02-13-2007, 04:26 PM   #17
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Really? Massú did that?
Gildemeister should have done something, then...

Actually, we agree on this one. I misunderstood your first post and thought you meant that, as the article is not “official press” material, people were overreacting about it. My mistake.

Still, I don’t like it.
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I think choosing Nicolas over Capdeville was the better option, Nicolas is simply more tougher
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well, since it comes from a forum where they follow this situation more closely, and actually watched the game, then it does matter.

plus some incorrectly said journalist, anyway I agree that Massu should not of played on Sunday, in fact Capdeville was chosen to play on sunday, but apperantly Massu threw a fit and he came out to play when it was decided that Capdeville would play...

Link please to an official source (not a poster on anther forum).
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To be honest i don't care too much for Massu as a professional tennis player, in other words i don't root for him. Having said that it was clear to me that he did everything within his possibilities and current form to try to beat Andreev. Lack of fighting spirit or not trying was not the problem at all. Mostly it was lack of confidence. The tie was lost when Gonzo was defeated by a player that had a 0-3 H2H against him and was returning for a long injury hiatus. Feña should not have played Viña. i'm not saying that he would have beaten Andreev if he had not played the MM tournie, but definitely he would have had a better chance, as proven when he finally recovered something close to his AO form against Safin. but it is time to move on, Gonzo is a big man, he decided his schedule, and wasn't smart enough to realise what was better for him and the chilean team.

PS: Congrats Igor again. Hope you have a great performance at RG.
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Really? Massú did that?
Gildemeister should have done something, then...

Actually, we agree on this one. I misunderstood your first post and thought you meant that, as the article is not “official press” material, people were overreacting about it. My mistake.

Still, I don’t like it.
I don't believe anyone is over-reacting. Just giving opinions about the situation for whatever reason they see fit for.
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Old 02-13-2007, 05:54 PM   #22
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Link please to an official source (not a poster on anther forum).
no official source, but since he was injured and used it as an excuse after the match then it might be true... but youre a nicotard so any evidence would be useless anyway, here is where I got it from, if you dont understand spanish, tough luck..:

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Pero lo que hizo Nicolás Massú en la previa del partido en los vestuarios es IMPERDONABLE. No voy a ser yo el que entre en detalles, pero será un tema para largo si es que se filtra... y me parece que se filtrará, porque había gente de "El Mercurio" presente. De verdad, que si hubiera perdido 60 60 60 me habría dado lo mismo, no me habría calentado como estoy ahora... pero lo que hizo pre, en y post partido es INACEPTABLE. Tanto así, que yo de Massú dudo que me vuelva a referir en buenos términos, me costará un tiempo, prefiero no emitir opiniones de él...

Yo no cuento lo de Massú porque prometí no entrar en detalles, me lo pidió Fernando y yo cumplo mi palabra... Cuando he podido contar confidencias sin comprometer a nadie lo he hecho ( recordar caso De La Peña - Massú en el AO 2005 ). Pero aquí di mi palabra.-

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no official source, but since he was injured and used it as an excuse after the match then it might be true... but youre a nicotard so any evidence would be useless anyway, here is where I got it from, if you dont understand spanish, tough luck..:




http://www.movias.com/foros/index.php?showtopic=307&st=30
That quote says nothing. Just that Massu did something unacceptable before, during and after the match... and comes from a fan who doesn't want to get "into details", because he promissed Gonzalez he wouldn't do it.

This cannot be taken seriously unless there is another source.
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That quote says nothing. Just that Massu did something unacceptable before, during and after the match... and comes from a fan who doesn't want to get "into details", because he promissed Gonzalez he wouldn't do it.

This cannot be taken seriously unless there is another source.
there was another source in the forum that said the same thing, besides the posters arent just tards from what I have read they have given out credible inside info. before, so take it as you want.

about the fit the he before the match I think its related to him wanting to play even though capdeville was chosen
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well, since it comes from a forum where they follow this situation more closely, and actually watched the game, then it does matter.

plus some incorrectly said journalist, anyway I agree that Massu should not of played on Sunday, in fact Capdeville was chosen to play on sunday, but apperantly Massu threw a fit and he came out to play when it was decided that Capdeville would play...
Where did that come from? Where you there to witness this then? You may want to have a little more proof before you make such accusations about anyone in the future....Oh, and go ahead and call me a nicotard if that means supporting him in the good times and the bad-count me in.

Its easy to bash after the fact. It made complete sense to play Massu and not Capdeville. Is there anyone who seriously thinks Paul would have eneded up beating Igor Sunday? I doubt it. Let's give credit where credit is due-Igor came out and played his heart out and surprised many of us.

The thing about a country like Russia is they have such depth in good players. No matter what surface would have been choose, they would have a player who specializes on that type of court. Maybe the only mistake Chile mmade (and me for that matter) was to underestimate the Russian team since Andreev in not highly ranked at the moment. Hopes were high for a win and it didnt' happen. Lots of shock and saddness for fans, hence a piece like the one presented here at the begining. It may make that person feel better to find such an explaination for a loss, but it doens't make it true.
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Where did that come from? Where you there to witness this then? You may want to have a little more proof before you make such accusations about anyone in the future....Oh, and go ahead and call me a nicotard if that means supporting him in the good times and the bad-count me in.

Its easy to bash after the fact. It made complete sense to play Massu and not Capdeville. Is there anyone who seriously thinks Paul would have eneded up beating Igor Sunday? I doubt it. Let's give credit where credit is due-Igor came out and played his heart out and surprised many of us.
responded to the same question in the post before that, and being a nicotard means that you would be blind to any facts that indicate he did throw a fit...

If the mercurio journalist who was allegedly in the locker room when massu threw the fit comes out and says that, you and nico fan will still not believe it, so facts dont matter to you... here it is, if you dont understand spanish, tough luck, aks someone to translate it...

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Pero lo que hizo Nicolás Massú en la previa del partido en los vestuarios es IMPERDONABLE. No voy a ser yo el que entre en detalles, pero será un tema para largo si es que se filtra... y me parece que se filtrará, porque había gente de "El Mercurio" presente. De verdad, que si hubiera perdido 60 60 60 me habría dado lo mismo, no me habría calentado como estoy ahora... pero lo que hizo pre, en y post partido es INACEPTABLE. Tanto así, que yo de Massú dudo que me vuelva a referir en buenos términos, me costará un tiempo, prefiero no emitir opiniones de él...

Yo no cuento lo de Massú porque prometí no entrar en detalles, me lo pidió Fernando y yo cumplo mi palabra... Cuando he podido contar confidencias sin comprometer a nadie lo he hecho ( recordar caso De La Peña - Massú en el AO 2005 ). Pero aquí di mi palabra.-
willy cañas, assumed that whoever said this had no credibility, but like I told him from what I have read from the same source who has given out inside info. that has turned out to be true before then I have no reason to doubt the source...

http://www.movias.com/foros/index.ph...opic=307&st=30
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Yes, I saw the source, just didn't want to add all of those quotes so I chose the original post...I'm not saying Nico couldn't throw a "fit" as you choose to call it, I'm saying your sources don't prove it. If he did get mad, not being chose to play would have been good reason-most players would have such a reaction in the same situation. But I've seen nothing that proves it to me here.
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if Massu def. Andreev last sunday... would we start to talk about this???? NO!

it's easy to talk with the score completed....
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Admins please remove this thread from GM, and move to "chicos latinos" discussion, thanks

EDIT: for other part, the tie is over, and start to talk "excuses" at this time is out of place and is totally whining. DC will be back for us in the Play-offs and it become a long time waiting for that date. And finally, don't forget who was the last player to beat Rafael Nadal on clay, I think it was the key for russians. Russia won to us, we not lose to them.
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Ill just add this bit of info. not because I really care that chile won or lost, but mostly to annoy nicotards, lol, apperantly massu said this before his match:

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"media güea si pierdo, si la culpa no es mía al final, es del famoso 5º del mundo"
ill translate, "if I lose, its not my fault in the end, its the fault of the famous #5 in the world "

this what the person who wrote the quote said:

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Si está entre comillas es porque es textual, no?

De verdad les sorprende que Massú diga estas cosas?... Son bastante comunes en su vocabulario... lo que pasó que en ésta lo dijo en serio pensando que no había nadie "del otro bando"... y se encontró con "Checho" Bascuñán y conmigo en la puerta del vestuario.-
translation, "Massu thought there was no one from the other side (media?, non-tennis player/coach?) when he said that, then he found "checho" bascuñan and me at the locker room door"

oh and massu did eventually say he was injured and shouldn't of been playing

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"Lo teníamos claro (mejor momento para avanzar) y por eso jugué, porque en rigor yo no debí jugar esta Copa Davis. Lo hice sólo porque es un torneo que siempre sueño jugar y más todavía de local", aseguró el número dos de Chile en alusión a la lesión que lo afecta en los aductores.
... guess all the crying about sources can stop now, he said he was injured...
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