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View Poll Results: Who wins RG: Kuerten (2001) vs. Nadal (2006)?

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Old 09-11-2006, 10:02 PM   #31
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Everyone should watch RG 2001 semi (moral final) between Guga and JCF. They were both at their peak...and Guga destroyed JCF. Awe-inspiring match...
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Eden: You don't realise that he's calling your beloved Fed poor opposition too?
No, I'm not. Did you read the whole post?
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Old 09-11-2006, 10:04 PM   #34
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BTW, even when Guga was out of form in 2004, he still beat Federer in straight sets in RG The only man to defeat Fed in straight sets since then is.... Andy Murray, last month
And that win of Murray is not a best of 5 matches
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Everyone should watch RG 2001 semi (moral final) between Guga and JCF. They were both at their peak...and Guga destroyed JCF. Awe-inspiring match...
That was one of Guga's best matches ever He was perfect that day
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Eden: You don't realise that he's calling your beloved Fed poor opposition too?
sorry, as an appreciator of fed's tennis i will be the first to say, guga is far superior to fed on clay. at least atm.

also, ferrero, moya, muster, kafelnikov, medvedev, bruguera, rios..i mean cmon what do we have now?

all these players are as good as federer on clay. But in a matchup situation, federer matches up well with all of them, which is why i would believe he would still win. he doesnt matchup well with kuerten and nadal.
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Old 09-11-2006, 10:07 PM   #37
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Eden: You don't realise that he's calling your beloved Fed poor opposition too?
Sorry, for just agreeing with other users opinions. In fact I was always following Gugas matches and I can just not see that Nadal has the competition on clay that Guga had with players like Corretja, Ferrero, Moya and Coria who were at their best at that time.

Nadal is amazing on clay, but I just think that Guga would have beat him.
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Rafa was still 18 then and just developing. Considering how dominant he has been, there has to be something special about him on this surface that no one since borg has been able to match
Yes, Nadal has been the most dominant player on clay since Borg, we all know that. But the opposition the other players had in between is a huge factor in my opinion. Even though Guga was never as dominant as Rafael was, I still believe he would be able to beat him at his prime. Guga had all the weapons you can ask for.

BTW there are some similarities with Hingis in 1997. I'm a HUGE fan of hers, she's my favorite WTA player. But in 1997, when she totally dominated everything, the opposition wasn't what it was in 1990-1993 and in 2000-2003. This is the reason she wasn't able to dominate since, the opposition got so much tougher. Right now Rafa's only rival on clay is Federer, who I agree is already a very tough opposition. But a few years ago, there were a lot more of great clay players. Nadal would definitely be among the very best as he's an awesome clay player, but I don't think he would dominate as much as today in Guga's or Muster's time.
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all these players are as good as federer on clay. But in a matchup situation, federer matches up well with all of them, which is why i would believe he would still win. he doesnt matchup well with kuerten and nadal.
Roger won one match against Guga on clay in Hamburg 2002 and lost to him on hardcourt in Indian Wells 2003 by the way (just for the discussion of Kuertens play on othe surfaces ). Against Moya Roger had 2 wins on clay, 2004 in Hamburg and last year in Paris at the French. There was only one match between Roger and Ferrero on clay, 2003 in Rome, when Ferrero had to retire when Roger was leading. Against Coria Roger won two times on clay: 2004 and 2005 in Hamburg
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Guga was more prone to upsets than Nadal was. There is no question about that. However, there is also no question that there were more great clay players in 2000-2002 than there is today.
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guga was upset by safin...i wouldnt call that an upset...all the years after his rg victory, he was hampered by injury.
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Guga was more prone to upsets than Nadal was. There is no question about that. However, there is also no question that there were more great clay players in 2000-2002 than there is today.
That's exactly my point
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Guga was more prone to upsets than Nadal was. There is no question about that. However, there is also no question that there were more great clay players in 2000-2002 than there is today.
No.
Federer is better than all opponents Kuerten had.
Of course, Kuerten one beat Federer in Paris. But that was an exception.
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Kuerten easily.
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