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Old 01-29-2007, 12:41 AM   #1
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Losing 10+ differential in head to head matches, this is something not achieved by everyone, though some don't want it necessarily.

Initially this will be about past match ups, but there are some current ones that need updating.

Donkey punch would be good, but not appropriate. Turkey is a clear and concise for this category when being a pigeon isn't enough.

A classic one below, but Edberg won the ones that counted. He was 3-1 in Slams.

Boris Becker vs. Stefan Edberg

1984 Cologne Indoor Hardcourt R32 Edberg 6-4 6-4
1985 Philadelphia Indoor Carpet R32 Edberg 6-3 6-1
1985 Las Vegas Hardcourt R16 Becker 6-3 6-7 6-2
1985 Davis Cup Final, Carpet, F, Becker 6-3 3-6 7-5 8-6
1986 Dallas Indoor Carpet SF Becker 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6
1986 Toronto Hardcourt F Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3
1986- Tokyo Indoor Carpet F Becker 7-6 6-1
1986 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Becker 6-4 6-4
1987 Indian Wells Hardcourt F Becker 6-4 6-4 7-5
1987 Montreal Hardcourt SF Edberg 6-2 6-4
1987 Cincinnati Hardcourt F Edberg 6-4 6-1
1988 Dallas Indoor Carpet F Becker 6-4 1-6 7-5 6-2
1988 London / Queen's Club Grass F Becker 6-1 3-6 6-3
1988 Wimbledon Grass F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-4 6-2
1988 The Masters Indoor Carpet RR Edberg 7-6 3-6 6-4
1988 Davis Cup Final, Clay, F Becker 6-3 6-1 6-4
1989 Roland Garros Clay SF Edberg 6-3 6-4 5-7 3-6 6-2
1989 Wimbledon Grass F Becker 6-0 7-6 6-4
1989 Paris Indoor Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-3 6-3
1989 The Masters Indoor Carpet RR Becker 6-1 6-4
1989 The Masters Indoor Carpet F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-3 6-1
1989 Davis Cup Final, F, Carpet, Becker 6-2 6-2 6-4
1990 London / Queen's Club Grass SF Becker 6-4 6-4
1990 Wimbledon Grass F Edberg 6-2 6-2 3-6 3-6 6-4
1990 Sydney Indoor Hardcourt F Becker 7-6 6-4 6-4
1990 Stockholm Indoor Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-0 6-3
1990 Paris Indoor Carpet F Edberg 3-3 ret
1991 Stockholm Indoor Carpet F Becker 3-6 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-2
1992 Brussels Indoor Carpet SF Becker 4-6 6-4 6-2
1992 ATP Tour World Championship Indoor Carpet RR Becker 6-4 6-0
1993 Doha Hardcourt SF Becker 6-4 6-4
1994 ATP Tour World Championship Indoor Carpet RR Becker 6-7 6-4 7-5
1995 Basel Indoor Hardcourt QF Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3
1996 Doha Hardcourt R32 Becker 6-2 7-5
1996 London / Queen's Club Grass F Becker 6-4 7-6(3)

Becker leads 25-10
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Roger Federer (SUI) vs. Andy Roddick (USA)

2007 Australian Open, Hard, SF, Federer 6-4 6-0 6-2
2006 Tennis Masters Cup, Indoor Hardcourt, RR, Federer 4-6 7-6 6-4
2006 US Open, Hard, F, Federer 6-2 4-6 7-5 6-1
2005 Cincinatti AMS, Hard, F, Federer 6-3, 7-5
2005 Wimbledon, Grass, F, Federer 6-2, 7-6, 6-4
2004 Bangkok, Hard, F, Federer 6-4, 6-0
2004 Canada AMS, Hard, F, Federer 7-5, 6-3
2004 Wimbledon, Grass, F, Federer 4-6, 7-5, 7-6, 6-4
2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Hard, SF, Federer 7-6, 6-2
2003 Canada TMS, Hard, SF, Roddick 6-4, 3-6, 7-6
2003 Wimbledon, Grass, SF, Federer 7-6, 6-3, 6-3
2002 Basel, Carpet, QF, Federer 7-6, 6-1
2002 Sydney, Hard, SF, Federer 7-6, 6-4
2001 Basel, Carpet, QF, Federer 3-6, 6-3, 7-6

Federer leads 13-1
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Ivan Lendl (USA) vs Brad Gilbert (USA)

1982 Hartford Indoor Carpet R16 Lendl 6-2 6-2
1983 Tokyo Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-2 6-1
1984 Philadelphia Indoor Carpet QF Lendl 3-6 6-2 6-1
1984-Brussels Indoor Carpet R32 Lendl 6-1 6-0
1985 Fort Myers Hardcourt QF Lendl 6-4 6-2
1985 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt QF Lendl 6-3 6-3
1985 Stuttgart Clay F Lendl 6-4 6-0
1986 Philadelphia Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 7-5 4-6 6-2
1986 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt QF Lendl 6-2 3-6 6-2
1986 U.S. Open Hardcourt R16 Lendl 7-5 6-1 6-2
1987 Key Biscayne Hardcourt R16 Lendl 6-2 6-2 6-4
1987 Washington Hardcourt F Lendl 6-1 6-0
1987 New York Indoor Carpet RR Lendl 6-2 6-2
1987 New York Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-2 6-4
1989 Forest Hills Clay QF Lendl 6-0 6-1
1991 Philadelphia Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-4 3-6 6-4

Lendl 16-0

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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The Gilbert one is a thing of beauty.

Roger Federer vs Fernando Gonzalez

2004 Indian Wells Hardcourt R32 Federer 6-3 6-2
2004 Hamburg Clay R16 Federer 7-5 6-1
2005 Monte Carlo Clay R16 Federer 6-2 6-7(3) 6-4
2005 Roland Garros Clay R32 Federer 7-6(9) 7-5 6-2
2005 Wimbledon Grass QF Federer 7-5 6-2 7-6(2)
2006 Monte Carlo Clay SF Federer 6-2 6-4
2006 Toronto Hard SF Federer 6-1 5-7 6-3
2006 Madrid Hard F Federer 7-5 6-1 6-0
2006 Basel Carpet F Federer 6-3 6-2 7-6(3)
2007 Australian Open Hard F Federer 7-6 6-4 6-4

Federer leads 10-0
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Stefan Edberg vs. Brad Gilbert

1985 Memphis Indoor Carpet QF Edberg 6-4 6-2
1985 U.S. Open Hardcourt R32 Edberg 4-6 6-4 6-1 6-4
1985 San Francisco Indoor Carpet QF Edberg 6-2 6-2
1986 Memphis Indoor Carpet F Gilbert 7-5 7-6
1986 Basel Indoor Hardcourt SF Edberg 7-6 6-2
1987 Memphis Indoor Hardcourt SF Edberg 6-4 7-6
1987 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Edberg 6-1 6-3
1989 Dallas Indoor Carpet QF Gilbert 7-6 6-1 6-3
1989 Cincinnati Hardcourt F Gilbert 6-4 2-6 7-6
1989 The Masters Indoor Carpet RR Edberg 6-1 6-3
1990 Tokyo Hardcourt SF Edberg 6-1 7-6
1990 Cincinnati Hardcourt F Edberg 6-1 6-1
1990 Stockholm Indoor Carpet QF Edberg 6-4 3-6 6-1
1991 Los Angeles Hardcourt SF Gilbert 7-6(2) 6-7(1) 6-4
1991 Sydney Indoor Hardcourt F Edberg 6-2 6-2 6-2
1991 Stockholm Indoor Carpet R16 Edberg 6-2 6-3
1992 Tokyo Hardcourt QF Edberg 4-6 6-2 6-3
1993 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Edberg 6-4 6-2
1993 Long Island Hardcourt R32 Edberg 6-3 6-0

Edberg 15-4
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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Kafelnikov vs. Björkman

1994 Copenhagen Indoor Carpet R16 Kafelnikov 6-1 6-4
1995 Australian Open Hardcourt R32 Kafelnikov 4-6 6-1 6-2 7-6(8)
1997 ATP Tour World Championship Indoor Hardcourt RR Kafelnikov 6-3 7-6(6)
1998 Stuttgart Indoor Carpet SF Kafelnikov 6-2 7-5
1999 Australian Open Hardcourt R128 Kafelnikov 6-3 6-2 6-4
1999 Cincinnati Hardcourt R32 Kafelnikov 6-1 6-4
1999 U.S. Open Hardcourt R32 Kafelnikov 6-1 6-4 6-4
2002 Indian Wells Hardcourt R64 Kafelnikov 7-5 6-3
2002 Halle Grass R32 Kafelnikov 7-6(4) 6-2
2003 Milan Indoor Carpet QF Kafelnikov 6-3 6-4
2003 Miami Hardcourt R64 Kafelnikov 6-3 6-3

Kafelnikov 11-0
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Edberg vs. Muster

1996 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Edberg 6-2 RET
1996 Vienna Carpet R16 Edberg 6-4 6-7(2) 7-5
1996 London / Queen's Club Grass S Edberg 6-7(2) 6-3 6-2
1995 AUT V SWE QF Carpet RR Edberg 6-4 6-2
1995 Indian Wells Hard Q Edberg 2-6 6-4 6-1
1994 Monte Carlo Q Edberg 6-7(10) 7-6(2) 6-4
1994 Australian Open Q Edberg 6-2 6-3 6-4
1990 World Team Cup RR Edberg 6-2 6-4
1988 Forest Hills Clay R16 Edberg 6-4 6-3
1986 Gstaad Clay R32 Edberg 6-3 7-6

Edberg 10-0
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Sampras vs. Courier

1999 Key Biscayne Hard R64 Sampras 6-3 7-6(3)
1997 Rome Clay R64 Courier 7-6(5) 6-4
1996 Roland Garros Clay Q Sampras 6-7(4) 4-6 6-4 6-4 6-4
1995 Paris Indoor Carpet S Sampras 6-4 3-6 6-3
1995 Essen Q Sampras 6-2 7-6(6)
1995 US Open Hard S Sampras 7-5 4-6 6-4 7-5
1995 Australian Open Hard Q Sampras 6-7(4) 6-7(3) 6-3 6-4 6-3
1994 Roland Garros Clay Q Courier 6-4 5-7 6-4 6-4
1994 Key Biscayne Hard S Sampras 6-4 7-6(10)
1994 Australian Open Hard S Sampras 6-3 6-4 6-4
1993 Wimbledon Grass F Sampras 7-6(3) 7-6(6) 3-6 6-3
1993 Hong Kong Hard F Sampras 6-3 6-7(1) 7-6(2)
1992 Singles Championship Carpet S Courier 7-6(5) 7-6(4)
1992 US Open Hard S Sampras 6-1 3-6 6-2 6-2
1992 Indianapolis Hard F Sampras 6-4 6-4
1991 Singles Championship Carpet F Sampras 3-6 7-6(5) 6-3 6-4
1991 US Open Hard Q Courier 6-2 7-6(4) 7-6(5)
1991 Indianapolis Hard S Sampras 6-3 7-6(7)
1991 Cincinnati Hard S Sampras 6-2 7-5
1988 Scottsdale Hard R32 Sampras 6-3 6-1

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Interesting thread, I certainly didn't expect the Becker-Edberg stats! Federer v Roddick is another that is just going to grow - any chances Roddick had would have been pre-2005 really.
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Edberg vs. Muster

1996 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Edberg 6-2 RET
1996 Vienna Carpet R16 Edberg 6-4 6-7(2) 7-5
1996 London / Queen's Club Grass S Edberg 6-7(2) 6-3 6-2
1995 AUT V SWE QF Carpet RR Edberg 6-4 6-2
1995 Indian Wells Hard Q Edberg 2-6 6-4 6-1
1994 Monte Carlo Q Edberg 6-7(10) 7-6(2) 6-4
1994 Australian Open Q Edberg 6-2 6-3 6-4
1990 World Team Cup RR Edberg 6-2 6-4
1988 Forest Hills Clay R16 Edberg 6-4 6-3
1986 Gstaad Clay R32 Edberg 6-3 7-6

Edberg 10-0
Huh...Edberg even beat Muster on clay...
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Huh...Edberg even beat Muster on clay...
Yes, it was a horrible match up for Muster cause he didn't like playing serve/volleyers whereas Bruguera loved it.
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Yes, it was a horrible match up for Muster cause he didn't like playing serve/volleyers whereas Bruguera loved it.
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Andre Agassi vs. Wayne Ferreira

2003 Australian Open Hard S Agassi 6-2 6-2 6-3
2002 San Jose Hard Q Agassi 6-4 6-4
2000 Cincinnati. Hard R64 Agassi 7-6(4) 6-1
1998 Indianapolis. Hard Q Agassi 6-2 6-1
1998 Washington. Hard S Agassi 6-1 6-0
1996 Atlanta Olympics Hard Q Agassi 7-5 4-6 7-5
1995 Tokyo Outdoor Hard S Agassi 7-5 6-2
1995 Key Biscayne Hard Q Agassi 6-2 6-4
1995 Indian Wells. Hard Q Agassi 6-3 6-4
1994 US Open Hard R32 Agassi 7-5 6-1 7-5
1994 Toronto Hard S Agassi 6-4 7-5

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Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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