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Old 03-10-2004, 07:26 AM   #1
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TENNIS-X TOP 10 OPEN ERA No. 1s.

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Compiled by the Tennis-X staff, here is the definitive Top 10 all-time list of No. 1 ranked players, finally putting to rest who's the best. The list was compiled from criteria including number of slams won, weeks at No. 1, year-end No. 1 rankings, overall titles won, winning percentage in finals, records vs. other No. 1s in their era, ability to break things, and other "intangibles." Discuss:

1. PETE SAMPRAS -- Six consecutive year-end No. 1 finishes will never be touched
2. BJORN BORG -- 6 French, 5-straight Wimbledon, won roughly 2/3 of finals
3. JOHN MCENROE -- Singles and doubles virtuoso, won 75% of singles finals
4. IVAN LENDL -- 8 straight US Open finals, 94 career titles, the Lendl-nator
5. ANDRE AGASSI -- Did all four slams against best-era competition
6. JIMMY CONNORS -- Dominated by other No. 1s, 109 titles padded by "Connors Tour" wins
7. STEFAN EDBERG -- Year-end No. 1 in 1990-91, 72 weeks at the top,
8. MATS WILANDER -- 1988 year-end No. 1, 20 weeks at No. 1, won three slams in '88
9. BORIS BECKER -- No year-end No. 1, only 12 weeks at the top, 7 Wimbledon finals
10. JOHN NEWCOMBE -- Two-time year-end No. 2, 5 Open Era and 2 pre-Open Era slams
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Old 03-10-2004, 07:32 AM   #2
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That list seems fair enough though I would swap Lendl for McEnroe.
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Old 03-10-2004, 07:36 AM   #3
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The list was compiled from criteria including number of slams won, weeks at No. 1, year-end No. 1 rankings, overall titles won, winning percentage in finals, records vs. other No. 1s in their era, ability to break things, and other "intangibles." Discuss:
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3. JOHN MCENROE -- Singles and doubles virtuoso, won 75% of singles finals
4. IVAN LENDL -- 8 straight US Open finals, 94 career titles, the Lendl-nator

I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'm not sure which of these two had more year end number one spots.

But Lendl won more slams, more overall titles, and was number 1 longer.

I'm sorry, but "doubles" is not enough to put John over Ivan, imo. Ivan has it by the main stats.

I'm only somewhat surprised they didn't throw the usual crap "Wimbledon" arguement out there
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That list seems fair enough though I would swap Lendl for McEnroe.
Oh... so it's not just me then. heh.
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Default Re: TENNIS-X TOP 10 OPEN ERA No. 1s.

You two aren't the only ones. In fact, I'm tempted to put Agassi over McEnroe as well.

Btw, Becca, both John and Ivan had 4 year-end #1's.
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I could deal with Agassi over Mac, I can see that one going either way. But I would think overall slam count and the career slam should weight heavily in Agassi's favour...

Whatever. Mac gets too many bonus points for being a brat.
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I'm actually surprised they listed Agassi before Edberg and Connors.
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I'm actually surprised they listed Agassi before Edberg and Connors.
Why wouldn't Agassi be listed before Edberg?

Slams
Agassi 8
Edberg 6

Agassi has the career Grand Slam, Edberg doesn't

#of weeks at #1
Agassi 101
Edberg 72



I can see the argument for Connors over Agassi.
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I agree, jackson, there is a decent argument for Connors over Agassi (although I disagree ), but not much of an argument for Edberg over Agassi. imo
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regarding Lendl/McEnroe,

You know John still kicks himself over the RG1984 final, the most painful loss of his career, in which he led against Lendl two sets to none and then lost the match. Not only would that win have given him more "all-surface" credentials, it would have given John 8 slams and Lendl 7, and there would be less debate about their placement, I think. I don't mean to dwell on "what-ifs,", but this just underscores the importance of that one match for their legacies.

McEnroe's 82-3 win-loss record in 1984 will probably never be matched. Also his history of Davis Cup play works in his favor.

But I think it is an intangible that has probably put McEnroe third on that list. He displayed brilliant natural talent, and people saw him much the way that they see Federer today: creative, with great touch, and capable of flashy and unpredictable shots. He seemed like one of the greatest players, even more than his record probably indicates, and that probably influenced the makers of these lists.
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We all have to remember that Connors finished twice ranked number 1 in the world without winning a slam (1975 and 1977), and in 1978 Borg Had RG Wimbledon, and Connors only the us open, but Connors finished ranked number 1 anyway.

He was not a dominant number 1 player, and in some of the years he finished ranked number 1 he was not considered the "real" number 1.

I rate Agassi above Connors
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Well Q, it was Mac's fault that he lost that match and I have to say I actually enjoyed watching him lose that final.

Lendl had more longevity than Mac, and had more success over a longer period of time he made 8 Masters finals in a row as well, so that gives him a jump over Mac.

I would have Wilander over Edberg, though Edberg had more weeks at number 1. Wilander had won more Slams than Edberg, he won them on three different surfaces whereas Edberg only on two.

I would have rated Agassi over Connors for sure.
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How many Slams did Wilander win? I thought his total count was 6, same as Edberg? Although you do have a point that Wilander was a better all-surface player than Edberg. On the other hand, Edberg had more longevity and obviously was at #1 for a longer period.

Lendl clearly had a better career than McEnroe; some would argue (me, included) that Agassi could also be placed over McEnroe in that list. No one else in history has won Slams on 4 entirely different surfaces.
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Wilander won 7 slams, 3 times Roland Ggarros, 3 times Australia, once the us open.
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Ah, okay. I guess that's a real toss-up between the two, then.
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