PTS or Set Ratios as TB method? - Page 5 - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

View Poll Results: Which TB method do you prefer in TT?

Predict-the-Score system (the current system here) 31 46.27%
Set Ratio system (the current system in WTA TT) 36 53.73%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

Old 11-10-2006, 08:37 PM   #61
country flag Labamba
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 32
Posts: 32,551
Labamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
OMG the poll is tied. Whoever did that, what do you want for Christmas, I'll get you something nice.
'our' 5 point lead is gone

Jess, don't try to fish those votes with personal favours
Labamba is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 11-10-2006, 08:38 PM   #62
country flag Tomek.
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,425
Tomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
OMG the poll is tied. Whoever did that, what do you want for Christmas, I'll get you something nice.
after my vote 25-25 50%-50%

I don't like Christmas
__________________
Tomek. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:38 PM   #63
country flag ExcaliburII
Registered User
 
ExcaliburII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: El Enzo Francescoli
Age: 24
Posts: 34,660
ExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond reputeExcaliburII has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

I ve voted for set ratios because I think PTS is all based on luck
ExcaliburII is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:40 PM   #64
country flag savesthedizzle
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,367
savesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gumoll View Post
after my vote 25-25 50%-50%

I don't like Christmas
You win!!

Also let me just mention as an addendum to my compromise plan, that mostly when people are comparing TBs on here they go "Ah I have Tipsarevic in 3" "Oh, I have him in 2" before they even get to how many points they have.. so it might be useful in our game to give that more weight than points
__________________
Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Berankis - Halebian - Peliwo
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:42 PM   #65
country flag Björki
Sitzen ist fürn Arsch
 
Björki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 47,949
Björki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond reputeBjörki has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labamba View Post
Set Ratio system (the current system in WTA TT)
$@M, adee-gee, Aguante_el_Gato, alansk, Alx, A_Skywalker, Berdych Fan, biliana, Björki, LK_22, Melvins, mikko, savestheday91, Sheva, yarkko, yemok, ZackBusner 17 43.59%
__________________

Bryans || Djokovic || Paire || Chiudinelli || Nalbandian || Hanley || Rojer || Nadal
Söderling || Verdasco || Wawrinka || Simon || O. Rochus || Leo Mayer


Björkman || Arthurs || Edberg || Rafter || T.Johansson || M.Norman || Aspelin
Björki is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:42 PM   #66
country flag keqtqiadv
2013 WS CHAMPS
 
keqtqiadv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 32,130
keqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
Okay, I am willing to stop being stubborn for one second to put forth a compromise that Ville will probably still disagree with

How about THIS ladies and gents,

We come up with our OWN TT scoring system for scores rather than copying PTS.

In the TT scoring system instead of 5 points for correct sets you get 10, just as many as you get for selecting the right winner. That's the only change. This way, set ratio becomes MORE important than the points, but the points are still included. Since I'm probably going to lose this set ratio fight can I at least get people on THIS bandwagon?

I still disagree with using PTS tiebreaks for many many reasons. Mainly because let's say you're 7/8 for the day and so is your opponent, however, stupid you, your one pick wrong is the TB game. Basically you're screwed for the TB and end up getting double penalized for that wrong pick while your opponent who also had one wrong gets lucky because it wasn't the TB match.

But I put forth this compromise on the PTS scoring just so people here don't think I'm a crazy evil beast for wanting a fair game People seem to like PTS (but why don't more of you play it? )
TB is the most important game of a tennis match, and so is the TB match in TT

It's not that I like PTS or not, I just want 50-50 matches in all rounds. It's not a bad suggestion. But I'd give more points for correct order of sets, not for correct number of sets.
keqtqiadv is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:43 PM   #67
country flag keqtqiadv
2013 WS CHAMPS
 
keqtqiadv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 32,130
keqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond reputekeqtqiadv has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

We were leading
keqtqiadv is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:43 PM   #68
country flag Labamba
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 32
Posts: 32,551
Labamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by invu2day View Post
I would not use Set ratios the same way they do at WTAworld. I would play it out as a tiebreak shootout. I would require a set ratio for each match. If for example there were 6 matches they would be numbered TB1 to TB6. Then TB1 from one player is put up against TB1 from another player. As soon as one TT player goes ahead they have won.
Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post

I still disagree with using PTS tiebreaks for many many reasons. Mainly because let's say you're 7/8 for the day and so is your opponent, however, stupid you, your one pick wrong is the TB game. Basically you're screwed for the TB and end up getting double penalized for that wrong pick while your opponent who also had one wrong gets lucky because it wasn't the TB match.
It's very likely to happen with Set ratios too.

But I like your suggestion of modifying the PTS point system to give more value to the correct # of sets and less value to correct set scores. It's a great idea!
Labamba is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:44 PM   #69
country flag savesthedizzle
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,367
savesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labamba View Post
It's very likely to happen with Set ratios too. But I like your suggestion of modifying the PTS point system to give more value to the correct # of sets and less value to correct set scores. It's a great idea!

Do my eyes deceive me or do we actually agree on something for the first time in TT history?
__________________
Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Berankis - Halebian - Peliwo
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:47 PM   #70
country flag SloKid
In hiding.
 
SloKid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 30
Posts: 19,051
SloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

My vote puts set ratios in the lead.

But I would just like to point out one thing.

Set ratios are not a TB method on wtaw, they are always used, unless there's a bigger amount of matches on one day.
We still have a tb, where players predict the score, but we don't use the PTS method to score them, we check, which player had the correct set ratio in the tb first, then who got closer to the actual score. On wtaw it can't happen that a person, who got a wrong set ratio for the tb wins on tb over someone with a correct set ratio, like it can happen here with the scoring.
SloKid is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:47 PM   #71
country flag Tomek.
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,425
Tomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
You win!!

Also let me just mention as an addendum to my compromise plan, that mostly when people are comparing TBs on here they go "Ah I have Tipsarevic in 3" "Oh, I have him in 2" before they even get to how many points they have.. so it might be useful in our game to give that more weight than points
I like your plan

maybe we should test one tournament with set-ratios and with your system

but I love set-ratios

and with TB's
It was a match that Gasquet won 6-2 7-5

I predicted 6-4 7-6 and my opponent 3-6 7-5 6-2

and of course I lost [Toronto SF]
__________________
Tomek. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:50 PM   #72
country flag Labamba
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 32
Posts: 32,551
Labamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond reputeLabamba has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
Do my eyes deceive me or do we actually agree on something for the first time in TT history?
I guess so oh wait, I see we agree on the doubles poll
Labamba is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:52 PM   #73
country flag SloKid
In hiding.
 
SloKid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 30
Posts: 19,051
SloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond reputeSloKid has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gumoll View Post
and with TB's
It was a match that Gasquet won 6-2 7-5

I predicted 6-4 7-6 and my opponent 3-6 7-5 6-2

and of course I lost [Toronto SF]
Yeah, I think that is wrong and that couldn't happen on wtaw.
SloKid is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:54 PM   #74
country flag Tomek.
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,425
Tomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond reputeTomek. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SloKid View Post
Yeah, I think that is wrong and that couldn't happen on wtaw.
there I would have 2 points and my opponent 1 point
__________________
Tomek. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2006, 08:58 PM   #75
country flag savesthedizzle
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,367
savesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond reputesavesthedizzle has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SloKid View Post
My vote puts set ratios in the lead.

But I would just like to point out one thing.

Set ratios are not a TB method on wtaw, they are always used, unless there's a bigger amount of matches on one day.
We still have a tb, where players predict the score, but we don't use the PTS method to score them, we check, which player had the correct set ratio in the tb first, then who got closer to the actual score. On wtaw it can't happen that a person, who got a wrong set ratio for the tb wins on tb over someone with a correct set ratio, like it can happen here with the scoring.

Yeah I kind of changed set ratios a bit... to make it a TB method because I didn't think there was any way to sell it to this crowd as just part of the game to get rid of the importance of the points. You guys never have 5 tbs in a round that I've seen though either and from what I've seen it goes to TBs less often than here (but that could also just be because of how the women's game is compared to here..)
__________________
Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Berankis - Halebian - Peliwo
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios