[A_Skywalker]

Originally Posted by yemok

I want to suggest something despite I'm kind of newcomer here (excuse me if this is discussed (and declined) in the past).

It might be useful if the managers post daily the predictions of everyone in the thread (similar to PAW's 'Pick History'), something like that:


PICK SUMMARY

Aiken Drum 

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

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alansk 

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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balloon

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

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biliana

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

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coreyschucky

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

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Dupuis2006

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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ExcaliburII

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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Foosimoo

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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Forever-Delayed

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

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gaynor

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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Grofica

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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hallso

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

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invu2day

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


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KalleOnAir

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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keqtqiadv

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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LaTenista

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin


Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

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Melvins

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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nitsansh

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

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NyGel

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

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Peta Pan

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

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propaganda

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


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qczi

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin


Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


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scarecrows

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

For example, the manager can do that at least one hour after the first match has started and/or everybody had sent their picks. So, with the possibility to check your opponent picks, there are some

advantages:
-- you don't have to wait for the manager to make an update and see what's the situation in the match
-- you don't have to wait for the manager to answer the 'what I need to win?' question
-- you can avoid a loss because of manager's mistake (the manager is a human too - there are a lot of matches and numbers, so calculation mistakes are highly possible)
-- you can avoid a loss because of manager's wrong interpretation of the rules (TB's, CB's, etc. - it's happening lately )
-- you can be absolutely sure that you really lost the match (I'm not accusing some of the managers of changing picks/tb's etc. because of some reason, the important here is that everyone will leave the tournament without any doubt in the authenticity of his loss, and that's a good and important thing, I think )
-- the manager will save a lot of time and work by not answering the 'what i need' - questions and not making frequent updates every time, so he can concentrate on the daily final sheet

and

disadvantages:
--decrease of the suspense (when you don't want to know who'll be the winner until the last match - you just don't look at the Pick Summary)
--one more file to paste in for the managers (still the saved time & work will be incomparably more)



I think it might work!
And just wanna be clear - absolutely no offence against the managers, without them this game wouldn't be possible !

I think it is a good idea , the positive is that the managers will not need to do updates until the end of the day and everyone will know that he lost fair

[Garlichead]

i also like yemok´s idea. Then everyone could do an update between the matches.

[Grofica]

I don't like yemok idea because it is not any longer game TT but completly different game which already exists on MTF, we should stick non-public way of running TT, imo that is the charm of game

[yarkko]

Originally Posted by Grofica

I don't like yemok idea because it is not any longer game TT but completly different game which already exists on MTF, we should stick non-public way of running TT, imo that is the charm of game

Are you serious?!?!?!?
completely different game?
nothing in the game will change, only everything will be clear to all the participants... read the explanation one more time

good idea, yemok!

[GlennMirnyi]

That "pasting people's picks" thing is to TT just like RR is to the real game. Is trying to destroy it.

[muniu]

Originally Posted by Melvins

Set ratios is only to the TB system.

So, first count the correct picks and after, if tied, count set ratios.

ok now it's more intresting

[GlennMirnyi]

But set ratios are already included in TB scoring.

[Grofica]

Originally Posted by yarkko

Are you serious?!?!?!?
completely different game?
nothing in the game will change, only everything will be clear to all the participants... read the explanation one more time

good idea, yemok!

not knowing what your opponent picked is a huge part of this game, making it public will just imo ruin it, and there wouldn't be need for sendin PM to menagers and a lot more work for manegers.........this is just my opinion

[GlennMirnyi]

Originally Posted by Grofica

not knowing what your opponent picked is a huge part of this game, making it public will just imo ruin it, and there wouldn't be need for sendin PM to menagers and a lot more work for manegers.........this is just my opinion

I completely agree with you, mate.

[Grofica]

Originally Posted by GlennMirnyi

I completely agree with you, mate.

btw I am a girl

[yemok]

Originally Posted by GlennMirnyi

That "pasting people's picks" thing is to TT just like RR is to the real game. Is trying to destroy it.

I think your opinion is way too airy
You're not understanding neighter my suggestion, nor the set ratio...

and don't feel offended please - this '-- you can avoid a loss because of manager's wrong interpretation of the rules (TB's, CB's, etc. - it's happening lately)' is not only against you many managers have problems reading the TB-CB rules

[yarkko]

Originally Posted by Grofica

and there wouldn't be need for sendin PM to menagers and a lot more work for manegers.........this is just my opinion

you really don't understand what's all about

let's wait for the opinion of the serious TT-managers and the board

greetings

[Garlichead]

Originally Posted by Grofica

not knowing what your opponent picked is a huge part of this game, making it public will just imo ruin it, and there wouldn't be need for sendin PM to menagers and a lot more work for manegers.........this is just my opinion

that means mostly all of the tournaments this year were ruined because if you asked the manager for your opponent´s score he told you.

[Grofica]

Originally Posted by Garlichead

that means mostly all of the tournaments this year were ruined because if you asked the manager for your opponent´s score he told you.

that's true but that is not mistake of the game that is maneger's mistake

[Grofica]

Originally Posted by yarkko

you really don't understand what's all about

let's wait for the opinion of the serious TT-managers and the board

greetings

yes let's wait

but that doesn't mean you are right nor I am