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Old 11-09-2006, 08:11 PM   #91
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no Set Ratios pls
WE must predict WInner not the score of the match pls
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no Set Ratios pls
WE must predict WInner not the score of the match pls
you predict the winner first , then set ratio
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TBs should stay.
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If you played with her the whole year, you'd have the same number of points and therefore either both or neither of you would get in. I don't see what the problem is
if they are tied at the 16th place only one of them would get in
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And what if I made the top 8 with 2 or 3 different partners? That would be quite unfair for the 2 who can't play the Masters.
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And what if I made the top 8 with 2 or 3 different partners? That would be quite unfair for the 2 who can't play the Masters.
You would be some player to do that.
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And what if I made the top 8 with 2 or 3 different partners? That would be quite unfair for the 2 who can't play the Masters.
That's the point. If you start playing with a lot of different partners you won't be able to get to the doubles MC, because points will go to doubles not to singles.
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balloon, man, chill out with the namecalling. its unnecessary
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no Set Ratios pls
WE must predict WInner not the score of the match pls
Set ratios is only to the TB system.

So, first count the correct picks and after, if tied, count set ratios.
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I want to suggest something despite I'm kind of newcomer here (excuse me if this is discussed (and declined) in the past).

It might be useful if the managers post daily the predictions of everyone in the thread (similar to PAW's 'Pick History'), something like that:


PICK SUMMARY

Code:
Aiken Drum 

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

------------------------------------------------

alansk 

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

balloon

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

------------------------------------------------

biliana

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

------------------------------------------------

coreyschucky

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

------------------------------------------------

Dupuis2006

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

ExcaliburII

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

Foosimoo

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

Forever-Delayed

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

------------------------------------------------

gaynor

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

Grofica

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

hallso

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

------------------------------------------------

invu2day

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


------------------------------------------------

KalleOnAir

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

keqtqiadv

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

LaTenista

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin


Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

------------------------------------------------

Melvins

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

nitsansh

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

------------------------------------------------

NyGel

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

Day 3
Berdych
Nieminen
Djokovic
Haas
Johansson
Blake
Grosjean
Ancic
Gonzalez
Hrbaty 6:3 6:4
Gasquet
Murray

------------------------------------------------

Peta Pan

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

------------------------------------------------

propaganda

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


------------------------------------------------

qczi

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin


Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils


------------------------------------------------

scarecrows

Day 1
Almagro
Simon 6:4 7:6
Tipsarevic
Llodra 3:6 6:4 6:3
Ginepri
Vliegen 7:6 6:4
Mathieu 7:6 6:3
Acasuso 6:4 6:3
Safin

Day 2
Tursunov
Srichaphan
Ginepri
Grosjean
Wawrinka
Clement
Santoro 7:6 6:4
Johansson
Safin
Davydenko
Monfils

For example, the manager can do that at least one hour after the first match has started or everybody had sent their picks. So, with the possibility to check your opponent picks, there are some

advantages:
-- you don't have to wait for the manager to make an update and see what's the situation in the match
-- you don't have to wait for the manager to answer the 'what I need to win?' question
-- you can avoid a loss because of manager's mistake (the manager is a human too - there are a lot of matches and numbers, so calculation mistakes are highly possible)
-- you can avoid a loss because of manager's wrong interpretation of the rules (TB's, CB's, etc. - it's happening lately )
-- you can be absolutely sure that you really lost the match (I'm not accusing some of the managers of changing picks/tb's etc. because of some reason, the important here is that everyone will leave the tournament without any doubt in the authenticity of his loss, and that's a good and important thing, I think )
-- the manager will save a lot of time and work by not answering the 'what i need' - questions and not making frequent updates every time, so he can concentrate on the daily final sheet

and

disadvantages:
--decrease of the suspense (when you don't want to know who'll be the winner until the last match - you just don't look at the Pick Summary)
--one more file to paste in for the managers (still the saved time & work will be incomparably more)



I think it might work!
And just wanna be clear - absolutely no offence against the managers, without them this game wouldn't be possible !
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Thats a lot of work for the manager, and this should stay away from imitating other games, in my opinion.
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Thats a lot of work for the manager, and this should stay away from imitating other games, in my opinion.
it's just one more paste of everybodies picks... I've done this example in about 6-7minutes...
and has nothing to do with imitating, but with the improvement in some way (it'll be stupid (for example) to call the copy of PAW's ranking points here - an imitation, I think)
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What does set ratios mean?

Does it mean to say, player x wins by 2 sets to 1 to player y???
Is it the same as TB?

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What does set ratios mean?

Does it mean to say, player x wins by 2 sets to 1 to player y???
Is it the same as TB?


It would be used as a TB instead of PTS.

Basically you would just predict:

Massu (2:0) meaning Massu will win in straight sets or (2:1) meaning he wins in 3, etc. You would do this for every match you predict and ONLY if your winners are tied, the amount of set ratios you got correct could be counted and used as a tiebreak.

When you think about PTS it's complete luck whether a set is won 6-3 or 6-4 bye a certain player. Half of that depends on the coin toss and who decides to serve or receive. In my opinion, losing a TIPPING match because you put 6-3 instead of 6-4 is not right. That's what PTS is for. Predicting set ratios is actually closer to the heart of the game, at least in my opinion I don't think it would hurt to try it once next year, just to see if it works.

Alonso, we wouldn't be able to eliminate PTS entirely and a PTS would be used in the first round only because there are no CB. It would lessen the importance of guessing scores.
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And you can ask anybody outside the Top 30 in the rankings and they'll say it's better to lose on TB then on ranking.
Losing by ranking is the worst thing possible along with picking a perfect score for the round and that has happened.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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