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Old 07-12-2009, 09:05 AM   #46
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It shouldn't be shocking because Robredo is one of the strongest mentally players on the tour. He has very good record in each "mental stats". And this year was just one tie-break to equal Roddick's record. He had won 17 tie-breaks in a row before lost to Sela at Wimbledon.

It's true but if you play well against Robredo you can't lose . This year tie breakers he played against Dabul ( 0-4 this year tie break record ), Ferreiro ( 4-4 ), Acasuso ( 4-6 ), Monaco ( 5-5 ), Cilic ( 8-11 including breaker aginst Fish ), Gaudio ( 0-2 ), Safin ( 2-8 ),2 breakers against Kohlschreiber ( 7-14 ), Fish ( 7-8 including breaker against Clic ), Gregorc ( 0-2 , Koubek ( 1-4 ).

It's not easy do win breaker against anyone ( except Clic maybe ), but these all players are not the gratest tie break players and they are not high ranked players ( top 10 ). It's respect score but when you know statistic of players against who played it is not impressive like it was before.

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The second TB double-bagel:
USO 2009 Q1: Julio Silva d. Daniel Evans 7-6(0) 7-6(0)
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Matches with three tie-break sets winning by one player since 1980.


* Matches with four tie-breaks.

1989:
Key Biscayne: R.Krishnan - J.Kriek 7-6 7-6 7-6
Dallas: I.Lendl - J.Hlasek 7-6(5) 1-6, 7-6(4) 6-7(0) 7-6(5) *
Roland Garros: S.Bruguera - E.Jelen 5-7 7-6(2) 7-6(6) 7-6(1)
Wimbledon: N.Fullwood - J.Canter 7-6 3-6 7-6 7-6
Wimbledon: J.Svensson - D.Wheaton 7-6 7-6 7-6
Wimbledon: D.Goldie - W.Masur 7-6 7-6 3-6 7-6
1987:
Wimbledon: J.Bates - P.Fleming 7-6 7-6 7-6
US Open: M.Woodforde - T.Mayotte 7-6(2) 7-6(5) 3-6 2-6 7-6(5)
1986:
Dallas: B.Becker - S.Edberg 7-6(4) 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(2)
Roland Garros: J.Kriek - G.Vilas 3-6 7-6(6) 7-6(5) 7-6(3)
US Open: Tom Gullikson - G.Holmes 7-6(1) 7-6(2) 6-7(8) 0-6 7-6(6) *
1985:
US Open: T.Nelson - M.Dickson 7-6 4-6 7-6 7-6
1984:
Australian Open: A.Maurer - P.Annacone 7-6 7-6 7-6
1983:
US Open: B.Manson - B.Kleege 4-6 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6
US Open: J.Kriek - R.Tanner 6-7 3-6 7-6 7-6 7-6 *
1982:
Wimbledon: M.Hocevar - Fr.Gonzalez 7-6 4-6 7-6 7-6
Wimbledon: C.Lewis - Tom Gullikson 7-6 7-6 7-6
US Open: S.Davis - B.Teacher 7-6 7-6 7-6
Australian Open: E.Sherbeck - W.Hampson 4-6 7-6 7-6 2-6 7-6
Australian Open: B.Testerman - P.Johnston 7-6 7-6 7-6
1981:
none
1980:
Roland Garros: P.McNamee - J.McEnroe 7-6 6-7 7-6 7-6 *
US Open: T.Moor - D.Stockton 4-6 7-6 7-6 3-6 7-6
Following an exhaustive results search:

1989:
Key Biscayne: R.Krishnan - J.Kriek 7-6(5) 7-6(4) 7-6(5)
Dallas: I.Lendl - J.Hlasek 7-6(5) 1-6 7-6(4) 6-7(0) 7-6(5) *
Roland Garros: S.Bruguera - E.Jelen 5-7 7-6(2) 7-6(6) 7-6(1)
Wimbledon: N.Fullwood - J.Canter 7-6(1) 3-6 7-6(3) 7-6(2)
Wimbledon: J.Svensson - D.Wheaton 7-6(3) 7-6(4) 7-6(5)
Wimbledon: D.Goldie - W.Masur 7-6(3) 7-6(1) 3-6 7-6(5)
1987:
Wimbledon: J.Bates - P.Fleming 7-6(5) 7-6(5) 7-6(0)
US Open: M.Woodforde - T.Mayotte 7-6(2) 7-6(5) 3-6 2-6 7-6(5)
1986:
Dallas: B.Becker - S.Edberg 7-6(4) 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(2)
Roland Garros: J.Kriek - G.Vilas 3-6 7-6(6) 7-6(5) 7-6(3)
US Open: Tom Gullikson - G.Holmes 7-6(1) 7-6(2) 6-7(8) 0-6 7-6(6) *
1985:
US Open: T.Nelson - M.Dickson 7-6(5) 4-6 7-6(4) 7-6(3)
1984:
Australian Open: A.Maurer - P.Annacone 7-6 7-6 7-6
1983:
US Open: B.Manson - B.Kleege 4-6 7-6(7) 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(5)
US Open: J.Kriek - R.Tanner 6-7(5) 3-6 7-6(4) 7-6(3) 7-6(2) *
1982:
Wimbledon: M.Hocevar - Fr.Gonzalez 7-6 4-6 7-6 7-6
Wimbledon: C.Lewis - Tom Gullikson 7-6 7-6 7-6
US Open: S.Davis - B.Teacher 7-6(5) 7-6(3) 7-6(4)
Australian Open: E.Sherbeck - W.Hampson 4-6 7-6 7-6 2-6 7-6
Australian Open: B.Testerman - P.Johnston 7-6 7-6 7-6
1981:
none
1980:
Roland Garros: P.McNamee - J.McEnroe 7-6(6) 6-7(4) 7-6(4) 7-6(2) *
US Open: T.Moor - D.Stockton 4-6 7-6 7-6 3-6 7-6

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Sensational stuff out there Unfortunately I had to stop watching this match at 5:5 in the 5th but I expected 15-13 for Stepanek and more than 70 aces for Karlovic at that point, it wasn't far from the truth

Pity there is no tie-break in Davis Cup, it would have been first match with 5 tie-break sets. Here are previous 5-setters with tie-break in the first four sets:

Wimbledon '91: J.Eltingh - Vogel 7-6(1) 6-7(6) 7-6(5) 6-7(7) 6-3
Australian Open '93: R.Fromberg - M.Zoecke 7-6(3) 6-7(5) 7-6(3) 6-7(9) 6-3
Wimbledon '02: R.Krajicek - M.Philippoussis 6-7(2) 7-6(4) 6-7(1) 7-6(5) 6-4
Davis Cup '03: V.Hanescu - G.Lapentti 7-6(3) 6-7(5) 7-6(5) 6-7(1) 6-4
Davis Cup '03: Y.J.Kim - A.Qureshi 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 7-6(5) 6-4

Stepanek's just 2nd win in long career after saving match point!!!
The possibility of 5 breakers was also the second thing (after contemplating 55->78 ) that crossed my mind. At the bottom of page 1 of this thread I mentioned there were only two 5-set doubles matches, both at Wimbledon, that went to 6-6 or higher in each set; this was the first time it has happened in singles.
Even matches with 5 sets going to 5-5 in each set are rare (page 2, posts #21-22).
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The best TB players in 2009 by percentage (best 50 players of the year):

(.782) - Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) 18-5
(.777) - Cuevas, Pablo (URU) 7-2
(.750) - Robredo, Tommy (ESP) 15-5
(.733) - Roddick, Andy (USA) 33-12
(.730) - Stepanek, Radek (CZE) 19-7
(.702) - Federer, Roger (SUI) 26-11
(.700) - Sela, Dudi (ISR) 7-3

(.692) - Isner, John (USA) 27-12
(.666) - Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) 33-17
(.666) - Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 16-8
(.655) - Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG) 19-10
(.655) - Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO) 19-10
(.650) - Bellucci, Thomaz (BRA) 13-7
(.640) - Melzer, Jurgen (AUT) 16-9
(.600) - Monfils, Gael (FRA) 14-9

(.590) - Montanes, Albert (ESP) 13-9
(.590) - Lopez, Feliciano (ESP) 13-9
(.583) - Beck, Andreas (GER) 14-10
(.571) - Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 16-12
(.555) - Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 20-16
(.551) - Blake, James (USA) 16-13
(.545) - Zeballos, Horacio (ARG) 6-5
(.541) - Murray, Andy (GBR) 13-11
(.538) - Querrey, Sam (USA) 14-12
(.523) - Ferrero, Juan Carlos (ESP) 11-10
(.521) - Tipsarevic, Janko (SRB) 12-11
(.517) - Haas, Tommy (GER) 15-14
(.516) - Simon, Gilles (FRA) 16-15
(.513) - Chardy, Jeremy (FRA) 17-15
(.500) - Troicki, Viktor (SRB) 9-9
(.500) - Monaco, Juan (ARG) 9-9

(.484) - Soderling, Robin (SWE) 16-17
(.458) - Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA) 11-13
(.451) - Cilic, Marin (CRO) 14-17
(.428) - Verdasco, Fernando (ESP) 15-20
(.421) - Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) 8-11
(.416) - Hanescu, Victor (ROU) 10-14
(.413) - Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) 12-17
(.411) - Wawrinka, Stanislas (SUI) 7-10
(.400) - Karlovic, Ivo (CRO) 18-27
(.400) - Andreev, Igor (RUS) 10-15

(.384) - Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP) 5-8
(.380) - Benneteau, Julien (FRA) 8-13
(.380) - Hewitt, Lleyton (AUS) 8-13
(.380) - Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo (ESP) 8-13
(.375) - Seppi, Andreas (ITA) 9-15
(.354) - Kohlschreiber, Philipp (GER) 11-20
(.312) - Becker, Benjamin (GER) 5-11

(.288) - Almagro, Nicolas (ESP) 13-22
(.277) - Ferrer, David (ESP) 5-13

# Counted only tie-breaks of the main events (Challengers and qualifying matches haven't been included)
# Among players ranked 51-100, the best TB percentage in 2009 had Nicolas Lapentti - 11/2 (.846) - also the best ratio in the whole Top 100.
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I looked at the carreer TB record (in ATP world tour tournaments) of a list of notable active players, including the current top-55 plus usual members of the top-50 and big servers.

I only kept those who had played at least 50 TBs.

Here's the result so far (I wrote the most notable ones in dark)

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Djokovic      66% (97/50)
Federer       65,8% (265/138)
Roddick       63,3% (257/149)
Isner         62,7% (52/31)
Murray        62,4% (68/41)
Tsonga        61,7% (58/36)
Gonzalez      59% (141/98)
Nadal         58,4% (97/69)
Baghdatis     58,4% (59/42)
Monfils       58% (58/42)
Moya          57,9% (224/163)
Grosjean      57,3% (138/103)
Nalbandian    57,1% (101/76)
Robredo       56,9% (123/93)
Kiefer        56,9% (120/91)
Nieminen      56,7% (102/78)
Berdych       56,1% (83/65)
Lopez         55,5% (131/105)
Ferrero       55,2% (153/124)
Davydenko     55% (104/85)
Tursunov      55% (72/59)
Haas          54,7% (163/135)
Blake         54% (121/103)
Clement       53,9% (125/107)
Korolev       53,7% (29/25)
Mathieu       53,2% (91/80)
Del Potro     52,9% (37/33)
Lapentti      52,7% (125/112)
Gicquel       52,2% (35/32)
Stepanek      52,1% (111/102)
Ljubicic      51,8% (198/184)
Hewitt        51,7% (137/128)
Guccione      51,6% (47/44)
Youzhny       51,4% (110/104)
Simon         50,5% (48/47)
Montanes      50,4% (57/56)
Ancic         50,3% (83/82)
Gasquet       50% (63/63)
Tipsarevic    50% (56/56)
Karlovic      49,7% (168/170)
Andreev       49,7% (78/79)
Kohlschreiber 49,2% (58/60)
Schuettler    49,1% (114/118)
Benneteau     48,9% (43/45)
Querrey       48,6% (35/37)
Melzer        48,5% (83/88)
Verdasco      48,3% (86/92)
Chela         48,2% (81/87)
Acasuso       47,8% (64/70)
Ferrer        47,7% (61/67)
Troicki       47,5% (19/21)
Söderling     47,1% (81/91)
Monaco        44,8% (39/48)
Llodra        44,8% (65/80)
Ginepri       44,8% (64/79)
Hanescu       44,8% (64/79)
F Mayer       44,6% (29/36)
Cilic         43,8% (32/41)
Fish          43,1% (69/91)
Wawrinka      42,7% (53/71)
Garcia-Lopez  42,7% (35/47)
Chardy        42,6% (23/31)
Becker        41,4% (29/41)
Gulbis        41,1% (23/33)
O Rochus      40,9% (70/101)
Seppi         40,4% (46/68)
Almagro       38,7% (48/76)
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Other notes :

- Cuevas is 18-8 in carreer on ATP world tour so far (69.2%, better than Djokovic and Federer : I didn't include him only because of the limit of 50 TBs played)

- in one of the first tables of this thread, it seems that Rios is missing : 132/92 (58.9%) in his whole carreer on ATP world tour according to the ATP

- many people associate "big serve" with "big success in TB" : I disagree with that (for instance, if you're better than Karlovic, maybe you can't break him but you can wait the TB to beat him on a few points), but Almagro is a good example : he has one of the best percentage of aces on the tour but is the worst in TBs. Gulbis, Chardy, Cilic, Fish are also good examples ... but you can also be a big server and be great in TBs : see Isner or Roddick.
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Other notes :

- Cuevas is 18-8 in carreer on ATP world tour so far (69.2%, better than Djokovic and Federer : I didn't include him only because of the limit of 50 TBs played)

- in one of the first tables of this thread, it seems that Rios is missing : 132/92 (58.9%) in his whole carreer on ATP world tour according to the ATP

Thanks I'll add him in the TB summary for all players after 2009 season. Yes, Cuevas' career record or this year's record doesn't tell a lot about his tie-break skills.

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- many people associate "big serve" with "big success in TB" : I disagree with that (for instance, if you're better than Karlovic, maybe you can't break him but you can wait the TB to beat him on a few points), but Almagro is a good example : he has one of the best percentage of aces on the tour but is the worst in TBs. Gulbis, Chardy, Cilic, Fish are also good examples ... but you can also be a big server and be great in TBs : see Isner or Roddick.
Fully agree.

BTW, I remember that Grosejan after first years of career had sensational high ratio, over 70 %. He's still good after many years with 56 %. I'd say someone with at least 60 % is very good (of course if played solid number of tie-breaks).
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I also looked at inactive former year-end top-10 players since 1973 (first ATP ranking year), and their record ... also only since 1973 (ie since stats are on the ATP website) (some players were added who were near to top-10 like Srichaphan or Annacone)

I think some of them may be added on the first page list.

Here are the ones who won more than 55% of their tie-breaks :

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Ashe          64,5 % (162/89)
Gomez         63,5 % (183/105)
Newcombe      63,3 % (112/65)
Sampras       62,8 % (328/194)
McEnroe       61,9 % (187/115)
Lendl         60,5 % (240/157)
Edberg        60 % (249/166)
Becker        59,7 % (241/163)
Muster        59,7 % (166/112)
Stich         59 % (167/116)
Courier       58,9 % (185/129)
Rios          58,9 % (132/92)
Rosewall      58,7 % (71/50)
Ramirez       58,6 % (136/96)
Okker         58,5 % (117/83)
Panatta       58,4 % (94/67)
Connors       58 % (214/155)
Nastase       57,9 % (135/98)
Gilbert       57,5 % (146/108)
Mancini       57,4 % (54/40)
Nyström       57,3 % (59/44)
Clerc         57,1 % (64/48)
Ivanisevic    57,1 % (276/207)
Kriek         57 % (126/95)
Rosset        56,9 % (203/154)
Smith         56,9 % (165/125)
Martin        56,7 % (195/149)
Vilas         56,6 % (155/119)
Wilander      56,6 % (125/96)
Larsson       56,3 % (142/110)
Agassi        56,3 % (206/160)
Kafelnikov    56,1 % (217/170)
Coria         56,1 % (55/43)
Dibbs         56,1 % (110/86)
Tanner        56 % (201/158)
Kodes         55,6 % (65/52)
Medvedev      55,5 % (111/89)
Srichaphan    55,5 % (111/89)
Rusedski      55,4 % (257/207)
Arias         55,3 % (110/89)
Gerulaitis    55,2 % (132/107)
Higueras      55,1 % (65/53)
Borg          55 % (93/76)
and here are the ones who won less than half of their tie-breaks :

Code:
E Sanchez     49,8 % (130/131)
Kuerten       49,8 % (135/136)
Chang         49,4 % (153/157)
Forget        49,2 % (151/156)
Bjorkman      49,2 % (130/134)
Alexander     49 % (178/185)
Enqvist       48,9 % (152/159)
McNamara      48,6 % (51/54)
Annacone      48,3 % (72/77)
Novak         46,4 % (103/119)
Barazzutti    44,8 % (52/64)
(Laver was 53.6 on that period)
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I forgot to mention in the previous page that I didn't count players who began a career before the Open Era, therefore there aren't players like Ashe or Newcombe.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:56 AM   #57
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I forgot to mention in the previous page that I didn't count players who began a career before the Open Era, therefore there aren't players like Ashe or Newcombe.
I understand that usually those are taken apart, but after 1973 it was not especially their best years, then I think if they have very good stats after 1973, they deserve to be mentioned
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:05 PM   #58
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Some interesting facts about Federer in tie-breaks :

- Federer has won 78% of the tie-breaks (18/5) he has played in grand slam finals - he had even won 86% of them (72/19) before the two ones he lost in US Open final this year. After Nadal (RG and Wim 2006, Australia 2009), Del Potro was the first one to win a TB against Federer in a slam final. This is surely a huge part of Del Potro's victory, as Federer has played and won far more tie-breaks in grand slam finals than other greats (Sampras is 8/6, McEnroe and Becker 5/3, Lendl 5/4, Connors 3/2, Agassi 3/3, Edberg 2/2, Wilander 3/5, Nadal 3/6 and ... Borg 1/8 !)

- Federer has won 77% (74/22) of the tie-breaks he's played in grand slams since Wimbledon 2003

- the two longest winning streaks in tie-breaks that Federer has had were both stopped by Djokovic in 2007 : the first one in Dubai 2007 (Federer had won 15 TB in a row since the US Open 2006, in that match Federer had a match-point in the TB and thought he had won but there was an overrule) ; the second one in Montreal final (13 in a row after his loss to Canas in Miami) where Djokovic won the two tie-breaks to win the tournament

- stats on the 17th of january 2009 made by Voo de Mar about tie-breaks with at least 14 points (main level only) : Federer had won 64% of them, which was better than all of the other top-10 players : http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...-breaks&page=4
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:51 AM   #59
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The best players from 5-5 in 2009 by percentage (best 50 players of the year):

# Counted only tie-breaks of the main events (Challengers and qualifying matches haven't been included)

(0.800) - Cuevas, Pablo 12-3

(0.756) - Davydenko, Nikolay 31-10
(0.733) - Nadal, Rafael 33-12
(0.714) - Federer, Roger 45-18

(0.695) - Roddick, Andy 41-18
(0.675) - Stepanek, Radek 27-13
(0.667) - Del Potro, Juan Martin 30-15
(0.667) - Sela, Dudi 12-6
(0.643) - Murray, Andy 27-15
(0.640) - Baghdatis, Marcos 16-9
(0.639) - Monfils, Gael 23-13
(0.634) - Ljubicic, Ivan 26-15
(0.625) - Berdych, Tomas 20-12
(0.623) - Djokovic, Novak 38-23
(0.620) - Isner, John 31-19
(0.615) - Melzer, Jurgen 24-15
(0.613) - Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 38-24

(0.591) - Gonzalez, Fernando 26-18
(0.588) - Beck, Andreas 20-14
(0.588) - Wawrinka, Stanislas 20-14
(0.581) - Querrey, Sam 25-18
(0.576) - Tipsarevic, Janko 19-14
(0.574) - Haas, Tommy 27-20
(0.571) - Lopez, Feliciano 20-15
(0.549) - Soderling, Robin 28-23
(0.548) - Ferrero, Juan Carlos 17-14
(0.525) - Hanescu, Victor 21-19
(0.515) - Monaco, Juan 17-16
(0.509) - Verdasco, Fernando 28-27
(0.500) - Simon, Gilles 24-24
(0.500) - Chardy, Jeremy 22-22
(0.500) - Mathieu, Paul-Henri 17-17
(0.500) - Bellucci, Thomaz 15-15
(0.500) - Benneteau, Julien 13-13
(0.500) - Zeballos, Horacio 6-6

(0.488) - Robredo, Tommy 20-21
(0.472) - Hewitt, Lleyton 17-19
(0.469) - Montanes, Albert 15-17
(0.462) - Blake, James 18-21
(0.458) - Troicki, Viktor 11-13
(0.444) - Cilic, Marin 20-25
(0.436) - Andreev, Igor 17-22
(0.434) - Karlovic, Ivo 23-30
(0.422) - Youzhny, Mikhail 19-26
(0.421) - Ferrer, David 16-22
(0.405) - Seppi, Andreas 17-25

(0.395) - Kohlschreiber, Philipp 17-26
(0.375) - Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo 12-20
(0.360) - Becker, Benjamin 9-16
(0.346) - Almagro, Nicolas 18-34

Robredo comes a cropper here big time compared to his TB stat, which suggets anybody mentally strong enough to beat him in a tiebreak usually gets the job done before they even get there hence the inflated stat. Nadal went to an astonishing 17-0 in 12 game sets this year.
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Just for the record, in an Italian future:

Jose CHECA-CALVO (SPA) (6) b. Riccardo BELLOTTI (ITA) 16 76 (17) 62

6 match-points saved according to an Italian poster.
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