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Old 10-21-2006, 01:21 PM   #31
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I don't ask finals but one or two rounds will be enough...
as far as I understand ATP rankind system couple of rounds won't give him extra points now. That's why playing Lyon is probably not the smartest thing to do. He needs to be fresh in Paris.
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as far as I understand ATP rankind system couple of rounds won't give him extra points now. That's why playing Lyon is probably not the smartest thing to do. He needs to be fresh in Paris.
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That you're like me, selfish It would be for sure soooooooo great to see him doing well in Paris.... because i have tickets
But the poor who lives in Lyon have the right to see him a bit too...
Nope, that wasn't the idea. I clearly want to see him that's for sure, but what I meant is that it'd be very stupid to gain a few points in a 'normal' tourny (even if going far) and then lose early in a Masters Series where there's an opportunity to gain much more point (especially when it's a Masters Series where he has always played so well). Between a small tournament and an AMS, the choice looks easy for me
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:52 PM   #34
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Nope, that wasn't the idea. I clearly want to see him that's for sure, but what I meant is that it'd be very stupid to gain a few points in a 'normal' tourny (even if going far) and then lose early in a Masters Series where there's an opportunity to gain much more point (especially when it's a Masters Series where he has always played so well). Between a small tournament and an AMS, the choice looks easy for me
Okay so i'm the one to be selfish
You're right but with his ranking it depends so much on the draw in a masters series... Imagine he picks Federer in the first round... Anyway, fingers crossed and high optimism : he'll kick everybody's asses !
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as far as I understand ATP rankind system couple of rounds won't give him extra points now. That's why playing Lyon is probably not the smartest thing to do. He needs to be fresh in Paris.
when you win a round you get points and as Marat hasn't played last year he can olny gain points... Even if it's only 5-10 for one or two round it will push him near the 30 place in rankings... If there was no points to gain, i don't think he'll go you know
A quarter final would be 25 points or something, so it will help... Whereas a loss in the first round in a Masters Series is 1 point... If we were sure he was going to go deep in Bercy for sure it would be better to skip Lyon... But even him don't try that bet...
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when you win a round you get points and as Marat hasn't played last year he can olny gain points... Even if it's only 5-10 for one or two round it will push him near the 30 place in rankings... If there was no points to gain, i don't think he'll go you know
A quarter final would be 25 points or something, so it will help... Whereas a loss in the first round in a Masters Series is 1 point... If we were sure he was going to go deep in Bercy for sure it would be better to skip Lyon... But even him don't try that bet...
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he had one final, 3 SF and a few second rounds. So he has to be in the QF at lesat to gain points and it would be only the difference between second rond and QF points. Am I right?
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Okay so i'm the one to be selfish
You're right but with his ranking it depends so much on the draw in a masters series... Imagine he picks Federer in the first round... Anyway, fingers crossed and high optimism : he'll kick everybody's asses !
There are only 16 seeded players in an AMS Carroll. Which means even if he gains enough points in Lyon to enter the top 30, he still can meet Fed in the first round in Bercy
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There are only 16 seeded players in an AMS Carroll. Which means even if he gains enough points in Lyon to enter the top 30, he still can meet Fed in the first round in Bercy
No matter who is his first opponent, you'll see Marat this year. That's fate!
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There are only 16 seeded players in an AMS Carroll. Which means even if he gains enough points in Lyon to enter the top 30, he still can meet Fed in the first round in Bercy
nope he can't, Fed plays the Bye in the 1st round
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nope he can't, Fed plays the Bye in the 1st round
ah yeah, poor Bye will lose again
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nope he can't, Fed plays the Bye in the 1st round
Again? Arghhh...That Fed guy is always so lucky!
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Again? Arghhh...That Fed guy is always so lucky!
unfair, huh? he always gets easy draws
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Yes, Marat needs a quarterfinal to gain just 15 points, a semi to gain 50, a final to gain 95, and a win to gain 150. This assumes the ATP site is correct about the number of points awarded, which they weren't for Moscow. Compare that to Paris, where winning his first round will give him 35 points, and so on up to 500 for a win. I really, really hope he pulls a Metz, because he's already exhausted.
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although playing in France might boost Richard...
It doesn't usually, I think he has trouble dealing with the pressure of playing in front of his home crowd. Plus he hasn't had great results recently. As long as Marat isn't too tired, I think he will win. Although if they both play their best it could be a really good match.
I hate that my favourites keep being drawn against each other early in tournaments.
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