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Old 02-12-2004, 07:59 PM   #61
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I agree tangy. yes, Schuettler he's quick too, I forgot about him. and Roger... it's not that he's so fast, per se, but he moves so well that he gets to every ball.

Sorry, but I don't see speed as a weapon or a reason to believe a person will be a champion player. If speed were all it takes to be a champion you'd see little Ollie and Christophe Rochus atop the winner's podium a lot
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Old 02-12-2004, 08:01 PM   #62
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IMO, he's not slam material at all. I didn't see anything about his game that was unique or better than anybody else's. He has no weapons that would intimidate opponents. He's kind of a Wal-Mart version of Andy. Similar serve motion, but not as powerful. Similar forehand, but not as effective. Good baseliner with terrific groundstrokes but that's not gonna help him beat the likes of Federer, Ferrero, or Agassi any time soon.

You believe that he is the fastest guy on tour right now? I don't know about that. Coria and Hewitt are pretty fast if you ask me, and Schuettler will run down a train to get to a ball.

I like Robby a bit more than I did before but gamewise, I just don't see him getting anywhere near the level of Andy or even Mardy.
Mardy, I like alot. He just isn't that much better than RobGen. Yea, right now RobGen is a "poorman's Roddick". He shows promise to me. If like you merged the best elements of RobGen with Fishy you would get slam material. It's just both are a little bit lacking in some important areas. They will improve. Give them time to grow like the flower from manure.
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Well I think Fish has more to base improvement on. he's great up at the net, has a MUCH better serve than Robby, has a great backhand... he's got weapons to move on, plus a new improved work ethic.

Robby isn't a poor man's Roddick IMO, he's a poor man's Hewitt. JMO.
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Old 02-12-2004, 08:13 PM   #64
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I think Mardy IS that much better than Robby. He's a power-hitter, which can intimidate his opponents. He has a nice serve-and-volley game to mix it up, too. Mentally, he also seems tougher; he's not quite as insecure about himself or his game. And he's not intimidated by Andy, either, as Robby seems to be. This gives Mardy an edge over Robby if we assume that Andy will at least make the quarterfinals of most of the tournaments being played on hardcourt this year.
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I agree mostly, tangy..... except that Mardy has had his good share of mental meltdowns (2003 AO, he was up 2-0 sets and then melted and finally gave the 5th away in a bagel).. but he's getting there and that's what has made such a difference for him lately.

That's an interesting point about intimidation. I think Robby is clearly intimidated by Andy and his "presence".... Mardy came *thisclose*, and probably should have, beaten him, so he has no reason to be scared lol.

I just flat out think Mardy is more talented. Will he have better results, I don't know. But based on the fact that they're in very similar stages of their careers, I just see more potential in Mardy.
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Here's what the guy from TennisOne says about Mardy, etc.
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Then in the main draw Mardy Fish schools Reichel, 6-1 6-4. And this is a Reichel that from courtside vantage served bombs, moved like a cat, and played without glaring weaknesses. But Mardy Fish, top 25 in the world plays to another standard. Interestingly, of the new crop of players, Fish has skills that distance him from Blake and Roddick.

Watching these two guys at the Australian, both losing to Safin, I was struck by how often they were off balance in the backcourt rallies. Safin, as balanced and grounded as Agassi, pounded the ball while often the Americans leaped and flailed. Well, Fish plays from the balanced side of the street; it is often hard to discern how well he plays because his style is simple and economical. Look for this guy to continually improve, for from the “First things first” perspective (see our library) Mardy Fish has an excellent foundation.
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Fish has skills to distance himself from Roddick? no freakin way in hell. he's got the better volleys,return,and a little bit better of a backhand, but all his shots aren't the greatest.
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lol hey I just copy and paste... I don't see Mardy being able to put it together.... but when Andy was just starting to do well did people expect him to be able to either? (not a rhetorical question, I really don't know because I didn't pay attention to what journalists say until quite recently)
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i dunno bunk, i got into tennis very late 2002. Andy had already kinda 'established' himself as one of the top guys. and i know you copied and pasted i was talking to the dude who wrote that article
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Fish has skills that distance him from Blake and Roddick.
How nice it would've been if he could have at least named those skills.
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we're forgeting Grosjean for awesome footspeed as well and he's MIGHTY dangerous on the run!
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lol tangy.... from all I could gather, he was talking about balance while hitting groundies....

Ok.... well Andy has a great on-the-run forehand.

The guy's just clearly on crack lol
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Oh and Robby just lost a match it looks like he maybe should've won. He won the first set easily 6-3 and was then broken at the end of the second so that Saulnier could start serving in the third, then he got a break down, then broke back but then gave the set away in a break...

Robby's got a looooong way to go lol
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Mardy definitely is more of an all-court player than any of the other young Americans.

As for Robby losing, I can't say I'm surprised. Andy has struggled against Cyril in all of his past matches. Andre didn't have it all that easy when he beat him here a couple years ago as well.
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Cyril just has something that bothers Andy.
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