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Old 03-21-2014, 04:52 PM   #1
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Default The slowest masters surface in North America is Miami, and Nadal hasn't won it

Nadal has won Indian Wells, Canada and Cincy, but never Miami. I know he's made several finals in Miami, but there is a big difference between making the final and winning (because often the toughest opponent will be your final opponent).

And the Australian Open is the slowest non-clay slam (and in 2011 appeared to be the slowest slam overall), and its the only slam Nadal hasn't won twice.....and when he won the AO in 2009 he almost lost to Verdasco, and generally was not bossing the points the way he did at US Open 2010/2013.

Nadal has problems on the slower hardcourts. I've been saying it for years. Nadal prefers a hardcourt that he can "hit through". The slower it is, the more Nadal has to work to finish the points (and on hardcourts, long rallies cause injury and more fatigue).
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Default Re: The slowest masters surface in North America is Miami, and Nadal hasn't won it

He should have won this title back in 2005

He was 2 sets and 4-1* 15-0 up against Federer.

He was also up like 3-1 or 4-2 in the third set tie break.

I don't remember but I think he even had match points.
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Default Re: The slowest masters surface in North America is Miami, and Nadal hasn't won it

Bounce matters more than speed for Nadal, though he does prefer it slow IMO
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Nadal has won Indian Wells, Canada and Cincy, but never Miami. I know he's made several finals in Miami, but there is a big difference between making the final and winning (because often the toughest opponent will be your final opponent).

And the Australian Open is the slowest non-clay slam (and in 2011 appeared to be the slowest slam overall), and its the only slam Nadal hasn't won twice.....and when he won the AO in 2009 he almost lost to Verdasco, and generally was not bossing the points the way he did at US Open 2010/2013.

Nadal has problems on the slower hardcourts. I've been saying it for years. Nadal prefers a hardcourt that he can "hit through". The slower it is, the more Nadal has to work to finish the points (and on hardcourts, long rallies cause injury and more fatigue).
This.

Despite it being a commonly spread myth on MTF by some tards - Nadal is a fast court player.

His game is built around hitting FH winners with minimal chance to the opponent to cover. If the courts had remained as fast - and high bounce , he would finish most matches in 3

The court speeds were slowed to benefit a certain player - who shall remain unnamed.
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Definitely no coincidence that Nadal is injured at the AO more than the other slams....and even when he wasn't injured in 2009/2012 AOs, he ended up having HUGE problems for the rest of the year, most likely brought on by the AO marathons.
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He should have won this title back in 2005

He was 2 sets and 4-1* 15-0 up against Federer.

He was also up like 3-1 or 4-2 in the third set tie break.

I don't remember but I think he even had match points.
Closest he got was *5-3 in the TB. That point, he was grunting heavy even by his standards, running around, hitting everything a a FH, and Fed was chasing absolutely everything down, and eventually Nadal made the error. Fed got back on serve and took control from there.

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Bounce matters more than speed for Nadal, though he does prefer it slow IMO
Yes, but I think high bouncing and medium pace in the court is the best for him.
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This.

Despite it being a commonly spread myth on MTF by some tards - Nadal is a fast court player.

His game is built around hitting FH winners with minimal chance to the opponent to cover. If the courts had remained as fast - and high bounce , he would finish most matches in 3

The court speeds were slowed to benefit a certain player - who shall remain unnamed.
it is not a myth spread by MTf tards, Nadal himself wants slow courts.. I wonder why that is then...

May be he wants not to win
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And he won the 2008 Olympic Gold on fast hardcourt. Check the videos if you don't believe me.
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His game is built around hitting FH winners with minimal chance to the opponent to cover. If the courts had remained as fast - and high bounce , he would finish most matches in 3
The bounce has got higher in the '00s. That's helped Rafa.
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Nadal's game is all about his movement opening up the court to create opening. Its tough to do that in a slow hardcourt.
The difference on clay which is a slow surface is sliding and much forgiving on the legs.
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Nadal's game is all about his movement opening up the court to create opening. Its tough to do that in a slow hardcourt.
The difference on clay which is a slow surface is sliding and much forgiving on the legs.
Yes Nadal's movement on clay and also his overall confidence. Nadal hit 22 winners in the 5th set of Roland Garros 2013 semi-final. When the chips are down, Nadal attacks on clay more than he does on hardcourt.
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He should have won this title back in 2005

He was 2 sets and 4-1* 15-0 up against Federer.

He was also up like 3-1 or 4-2 in the third set tie break.

I don't remember but I think he even had match points.
He had a bad line call at 4-3* 30-0 in the 3rd set.
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He had a bad line call at 4-3* 30-0 in the 3rd set.
Cool story, bro.

Fed was just at his peak back then.
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Yes, but I think high bouncing and medium pace in the court is the best for him.
Against the field today, this. Slow and high bouncing might have been better against the field before he slowed down a bit and became more comfortable/able to shorten points.
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