[robuś]

Point 19. "The fair play rule" has been suspended. Since there are many different opinions on the subject it needs to be disscussed yet.

[robuś]

Situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player A post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if player B picks in revers, change my pick to the same as player's B" ?

[Hotzenplotz]

Originally Posted by robuś

Situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player A post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if player B picks in revers, change my pick to the same as player's B" ?

That would require point "20. The unfair play rule"
Surely noone wants that.

[robuś]

Originally Posted by Hotzenplotz

That would require point "20. The unfair play rule"
Surely noone wants that.

Ok, one issue solved, this will be forbidden.


Another situation:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,
1 match left to the finish of a tournament (final match: CCC vs DDD)

Question:

Can player B post:
"PAW: CCC over DDD
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to DDD over CCC" ?

[ExcaliburII]

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.

[Hotzenplotz]

Originally Posted by ExcaliburII

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.

That is the ideal solution if the managers are OK with that.

Suggestion:

19. The PM rule: Every player may send his final two picks via PM to the tournament manager.

[robuś]

Originally Posted by ExcaliburII

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.

Who is "you"? player A or B?
OK "you" should send a pick by PM but to whom? manager? what if player A or B is the manager? what if this case refers also to player C,D E,F G,H and so on, should all of them send a pick by PM?

[ExcaliburII]

The ones who want can send their picks by pm. If manager is involved, they send all picks to an assistant manager.

[robuś]

Originally Posted by Hotzenplotz

Suggestion:

19. The PM rule: Every player may send his final two picks via PM to the tournament manager.

There was already a "small battle" in quarterfinals in Dubai between two players about one match and those weren't their last two picks.

Originally Posted by ExcaliburII

The ones who want can send their picks by pm. If manager is involved, they send all picks to an assistant manager.

This way the manager would have the advantage over the rest of the players. Speaking of an assistant - it is hard to find a manager not to mention an assistant and yet the one that's not involved.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by robuś

There was already a "small battle" in quarterfinals in Dubai between two players about one match and those weren't their last two picks.


This way the manager would have the advantage over the rest of the players. Speaking of an assistant - it is hard to find a manager not to mention an assistant and yet the one that's not involved.

Surely we're not talking Santoro vs Soderling here

A) Robus and I already discussed picks by pm. But we don't want the manager to have any kind of advantage here, cause some of the managers are highly ranked players themselves and we don't want there to be any conflict of interests.

B) We shouldn't allow too many conditional elements in picks. I don't want picks like:

PAW12: Soderling def. Santoro
- if robus also picks this reverse the pick
- if Djokovic def. Federer cancel this pick
- if Rochus def. Haas cancel this pick
- if Nadal def. Youzhny, change it to Santoro def. Soderling

C) I don't think only lower ranked players should be allowed to post a conditional picks, cause like someone mentioned a higher ranked player could also be at a disadvantage.

So keep the original rule, but scratch the part where only lower ranked players can use it.

[Hotzenplotz]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

So keep the original rule, but scratch the part where only lower ranked players can use it.

Shouldn't we at least allow the conditional cancellation (not only the reversal) of a pick in addition to the original rule? Surely this isn't too complicated

[yemok]

Originally Posted by ExcaliburII

I think in that case you should send your pick by PM.

this will cause troubles, the manager can take advantage, and also he'll be always on suspicion (example: if my girlfriend or my friends play in the tournament I manage and succeed to earn place via PM some people might have doubts about the authenticity of their pick - of course I'll never do it , but it's still possible. I think we don't need such spirits here in PAW

Originally Posted by Cervantes

B) We shouldn't allow too many conditional elements in picks. I don't want picks like:

PAW12: Soderling def. Santoro
- if robus also picks this reverse the pick
- if Djokovic def. Federer cancel this pick
- if Rochus def. Haas cancel this pick
- if Nadal def. Youzhny, change it to Santoro def. Soderling

100% agree!

Originally Posted by robuś

Sorry but you might have been confused because of the mistake in the rule: letters A and B were swaped. The mistake has already been corrected.

From the quarterfinals, Player B at the lower position (in Ranking Table of given tournament) to Player A, can use the rule:
"I post pick: Ccccc over Ddddd
if Player A picks the same, reverse my pick to Ddddd over Ccccc".

So the "lower position" means lower ranking number (which also is a smaller number of points).

I still think this great idea will improve the game and it's fair enough!
Example:

player A - 100pts, 1 pick left,
player B - 99pts, 1 pick left,

player A picks AAXX
player B picks XXAA
a little bit later player A changes pick to XXAA



or the simple situation

player B picks XXAA
player A picks XXAA


if the new rule is in charge that'll never happen and the leading player have to choose right and not just pick the same as the player behind and win no matter what happens in the match (and that's important and in interest of the game!) because player B can use the right to pick reverse.
With this we'll avoid also 'small battles' for a pick with both players changing their picks again & again (although it's very funny ).
And that's not a disadvantage to the leading player because he's the one who have a choice - player B can only hope his opponent will go wrong and (most likely) the outsider tennis player will win the match

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by Hotzenplotz

Shouldn't we at least allow the conditional cancellation (not only the reversal) of a pick in addition to the original rule? Surely this isn't too complicated

That's ok with me, so either reverse or cancel, those are the options.

[Frooty_Bazooty]

I dont think conditional picks should be allowed, they show really poor gamesmanship.

picks are meant to be written player A over player B - there shouldnt be a story after each one.

[Renaud]

Originally Posted by Frooty_Bazooty

I dont think conditional picks should be allowed, they show really poor gamesmanship.

picks are meant to be written player A over player B - there shouldnt be a story after each one.

I agree